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To: ears_to_hear
Luther did NOT pray to her.

Oh, horsefeathers.

His tomb has a prayer to her engraved on it, and he himself said hat praying the "Hail Mary" was a fine thing to do, but not for the weak in faith.

(No, I don't know why he adds "but not for the weak in faith," either.)

He also approved of the title "Queen of Heaven" for Mary.

You guys claim Luther for your side. The real Luther would spew you out of his mouth and come back to Rome in an instant, if he could see what he had wrought.

837 posted on 10/28/2007 12:32:27 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Campion; ears_to_hear
His (Luther's) tomb has a prayer to her engraved on it

That is not true. It was exposed as a lie a couple of years ago on the RF. I'll look for the thread.

841 posted on 10/28/2007 12:44:55 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Campion
he himself said that praying the "Hail Mary" was a fine thing to do

Some old Catholic habits are hard to break after all those years riding with those "Papist donkeys", don't you think?

You guys claim Luther for your side. The real Luther would spew you out of his mouth and come back to Rome in an instant, if he could see what he had wrought.

Does that mean that he still has a chance for Catholic sainthood, or atleast the hope that some trick-or-treaters from Saint Wittenburg's won't be anathematized for wearing his old Augustinian monk costume [the one without the devil horns in the cap] this coming Reformation Day?

849 posted on 10/28/2007 1:12:19 PM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Campion; Gamecock; ears_to_hear; TonyRo76; Uncle Chip; HarleyD; wmfights; xzins; XeniaSt; Quix; ...
His (Luther's) tomb has a prayer to her engraved on it

Luther's tomb in Wittenberg is sparsely adorned and bears no inscription nor prayer to Mary. I've been there and seen it.

The only inscription near Luther's tomb is his own writing...

"_Ein Feste Burg Ist Unser Gott._" -- A Mighty Fortress is Our God."

The tomb usually cited by Catholics as Luther's is actually the tomb of Henning Goeden, Jurist and last Catholic Provost of the Castle Church.

Here's a more honest statement from a Catholic website...

MOTHER MARY AND MARTIN LUTHER

"If one believes Peter Stravinskas, it would seem that this inscription on his heart is reflected in the inscription on his tomb. Stravinskas published a generally good article on "The Place of Mary in Classical Fundamentalism", at www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/fr94101.htm but I'm afraid he made one pious mistake: He maintains that the sculpture of the Coronation of the Virgin and inscription by Peter Vischer the Younger which is to be found in the Wittenberger Schlosskirche, where Luther is burried, goes with Luther's tomb. I wish it were so, but I'm afraid it belongs to one of the other tombs in the church. If you google for images of Luther's tomb (or Luthers' Grabmal), you'll see that it is the simplest little slab of stone rising a little out of the floor of the main church, a good distance away from the walls - no "burial chamber" at all."

854 posted on 10/28/2007 1:28:24 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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