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To: Grudgebringer; xzins; HarleyD; wmfights; ears_to_hear; XeniaSt; Quix; Uncle Chip; Forest Keeper; ...
John the Baptist was able to avoid all sin

This is the second time (that I know of) where you've incorrectly stated John the Baptist was without sin his entire life.

Is this some new and fallacious doctrine of your church which perhaps seeks to take some of the heat off of Mary supposedly being sinless, and thus to spread the lies around?

Now we have a sinless Mary and a sinless John the Baptist?

Like Calvin warned, "Every one of us is, even from his mother's womb, a master craftsman of idols." We are all by nature prone to fill our heads with idols.

Some of us, sadly, can't tell the truth of this even when silver and gold are falling from our lips and nostrils.

I find it amazing that you a lay person argue with a set of church beliefs

lol. We are commanded to "receive(d) the word with all readiness of mind, and search(ed) the scriptures daily, whether those things were so" (Acts 17:11).

And so much of the RCC is just not "so."

"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." -- John 17:3

813 posted on 10/28/2007 10:44:40 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; All

imho,

the history of the RC fossilized edifice has been for many centuries of the last 20

a process of repeatedly evolving new dogmas, doctrines

for virtually purely political power mongering reasons.

The faithful get bored with; habituated to the old ones such that the hierarchy’s power over the individual through such twisted dogmas and doctrines of demons and doctrines of man weakens—intolerably—to the RC elites.

And, so successive iterations of new dogmas keep the faithful always paying attention to and kowtowing to the MAGICsterical—a major control mechanism.

That’s one reason, imho, that the MARY AS CO-REDEMPTRIX heresy is even now, in our era, winding it’s way up to a new “INFALLIBLE” doctrine for the faithful to agree with and support—God forbid.

This gives us the silly spectacle of RC folks who !!!!TRADITIONALLY!!!! INSIST that the RC edifice’s doctrines and dogmas have been a consensual 100% homogenized whole from the moment John stopped writing Revelation until now—THOUGH HISTORY CLEARLY SHOWS STARKLY OTHERWISE.

So, we have some RC folks promulgating and pontificating adoringly about Mary as Co-Redemptrix and others rightly noting that said new dogma/doctrine has NOT been passed as a new RC edifice construction on reality for the faithful to all adhere to . . .

YET!

LOL. ROTFLOL. GTTM.

Sigh.


819 posted on 10/28/2007 11:06:03 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Grudgebringer
Thank you so very much for all of your insights and those beautiful Scriptures!

This is the second time (that I know of) where you've incorrectly stated John the Baptist was without sin his entire life.

That's news to me, too - and, as you observe, not Scriptural:

They are all gone aside, they are [all] together become filthy: [there is] none that doeth good, no, not one. – Psalms 14:3

Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; [there is] none that doeth good, no, not one. – Psalms 53:3

But we are all as an unclean [thing], and all our righteousnesses [are] as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. – Isaiah 64:6

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. – Romans 3:10-12

He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose. – John 1:27

To God be the glory, not man.

932 posted on 10/28/2007 9:30:09 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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