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To: pillut48
Good distinction. I have to retreat to my saying that Paul wasn't a theologian

To adumbrate, I'll say this: While the world mocks us for the gloomy doctrine of original sin, I found it to be good news. "Well, no WONDER, I'm such a jerk!" said I.

So that's the gift Paul gave to me. Not only am I a jerk, but so are you. We're jerks and we're surrounded by jerks! That's the best we can do, by ourselves. So we must expect the treatment jerks deserve and jerks give to one another, but in our rare moments of clarity, we can try to be as kind as sinners can be. (For me such moments are very rare.)

So, having the problem of my self-hatred resolved so effectively by Paul's writings\ (that is, the intellectual problem is solved, I am still at war within myself and can only appeal - when I think of it - to the Divine Mercy), I am, I think realizing what Paul meant to convey to his readers. He's not talking about every single human everywhere. He's talking about us. The immaculate conception is irrelevant to what Paul is saying to those fractious churches to whom he is writing.

That's what I mean when I say he's not a theologian. He's not exercising the kind of careful, lawyerly precision of language we expect of theologians. He's saying "Every one of you -- and me too, we're all jerks! And thanks be to God, He knows it and he's done what jerks need!" It's miles away from all the whereases and provided thats of technical language.

Okay. I'm spent. Prayers and then bed. And yes, I will say one of my fave hymns to the Virgin, but the majority will be addressed to the Father.

Your search is gift from God. God will give himself and has given himself as the conclusive gift.

248 posted on 10/25/2007 9:27:57 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg
Your search is gift from God. God will give himself and has given himself as the conclusive gift. Funny you should use that phrase. "Gift from God" is one of my nicknames for my beloved daughter Maya Grace. :*) Sweet dreams, brother! May God grant us all the peace that passes understanding. :*)
250 posted on 10/25/2007 9:35:23 PM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --Soccer Mom and proud RUSH REPUBLICAN! WIN, FRED, WIN!!!)
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