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To: Mrs. Don-o

Show me any prophet of God, any apostle, any believer named in the bible praying to the dead to intercede on their behalf. Show me any prophet of God, any apostle, any believer named in the bible praying to anyone but God. Show me the verses where Jesus instructed people to pray to dead saints so they could intercede on their behalf.


143 posted on 10/25/2007 6:13:08 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man
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To: Secret Agent Man

Show me the verses where Jesus instructed folks to type religious arguments on keyboards, and send them through cyberspace.


145 posted on 10/25/2007 6:23:33 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (No Covenant with Death: Giuliani Shall Not Pass!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

In addition to my earlier post:

James 5:16; Proverbs 15:8, 29 - the prayers of the righteous (the saints) have powerful effects. This is why we ask for their prayers. How much more powerful are the saints’ prayers in heaven, in whom righteousness has been perfected.

1 Tim 2:5-6 - therefore, it is because Jesus Christ is the one mediator before God that we can be subordinate mediators. Jesus is the reason. The Catholic position thus gives Jesus the most glory. He does it all but loves us so much He desires our participation.


232 posted on 10/25/2007 8:54:12 PM PDT by khnyny (Although prepared for martyrdom, I preferred that it be postponed. Winston Churchill)
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To: Secret Agent Man
Oh, but Mr. Agent, I am basing this not on the Bible Text, but on the Bible Church --- the one described in Scripture as "the pillar and foundation of the Truth" (1 Tim 3:15), which I invite you to read more abou HERE.

This is the Church that the gates of hell will not prevail against; the Church that as one, in all races and all the inhabited continents, and for all the Christian centuries, has practiced intercessory prayer in mutual charity amongst all its members, both those on earth and those who have already passed through death to life.

You show me one member of the Church who warned against, proscribed or condemned this kind of intercessory prayer in the 1st century AD, the 2nd century, the 3rd, the 4th, the 5th, the 6th, (continue in series to the 15th)---

and then argue either that the Church didn't pray that way (which she did, starting in the earliest centuries as we know from evidence found in the catacombs), or that Christ's Church was in grievous error for 1500 years. (Which you can't do if the Holy Spirit is guiding His Church as He said He would.)

291 posted on 10/26/2007 5:45:23 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (What does the LORD require of you, but to do justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God)
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