Mormon ousted as an apostate

East Valley Tribune—Phoenix, AZ, MSNBC ^ | Sept 23, 2007 | Lawn Griffiths

[colorcountry]

Being excommunicated for apostasy by the Mormon church is one thing, but Lyndon Lamborn is livid that his stake president has ordered bishops in eight Mesa wards to take the rare step of announcing disciplinary action against him to church members today. "I thought if he could go public, so can I," said Lamborn, a lifelong member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who said his research into church history gave him "thousands of reasons the church can't be what it claims to be."

Stake President R. James Molina acknowledged Friday he intends to have Lamborn's excommunication announced to the wards at men's priesthood meetings and womens Relief Society gatherings, even with Lamborn now taking his case public. Molina, as well as officials at church headquarters in Salt Lake City, call such a public warning about an ousted member extremely rare. They say, however, church members must be protected from what discordant ex-followers may say to damage the church...................

[colorcountry]

Keep reading dear.

FOTFLMHO

[restornu]

Keep giving Hillery Lesson!

[colorcountry]

What! You’ve got nothing of substance to copy and paste this time?

[Pan_Yans Wife]

Speculation?

Jesus’ very words are quoted, and you want to dismiss them?

What arrogance, restornu!

[restornu]

When you are in the hole and still shoving why help!:)

[MHGinTN]

FIRST, we know that a man taking the wife of a still alive man is SIN, even before the Ten Commandments are issued because of the very story you Mormonism Apologists keep harking to, namely, Abraham’s urging his wife to say she was his sister and Abimalech nearly taking her for one of his wives! Why you people have to spin everything to such irrational extreme is telling of this cult to which you’ve attached yourself.

You misguided Apologists for Smithism even ignore the taking of other men's wives causing them and the taker to sin against the vows of marriage previously uttered. Talk about covenants broken! You defend this adulterous lying peepstone fraud to such extremes that you lose completely the thread of what God's Righteousness is and Whom bore it to men and Whom saves and Whom seals and Whom sanctifies by His indwelling presence. Lacking sound teaching in the Bible, you spittle out garbage interpretations which if taken piecemeal 'seem' to substantiate the lies of your Smithism religion. It is not speculation whether Smith and the women whom he married who were still married to alive men were deeply in Sin ... unless you Mormons are now ready to set aside the concept of vows before God and men and abrogate any covenant to defend your false prophet ... come to think of it, you're already doing that, so I withdraw the question.

[restornu]

Speculation?

Jesus’ very words are quoted, and you want to dismiss them?

What arrogance, restornu

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LDS crtics are rich with insults!

The speculation was about the living today accusing Joseph Smith what was in his mind.

Due to all of LDS critics and lack of understanding about Celestiral and plural marriage for all etenity is different than (time)civil marriage or in the world death until you part!

But it seems it is better many here choose not to understand so distroted remarks can continue!

To follow FR lurker this may help to understand what the LDS is talking about!

Excerpt on the diferent betweet a covenant in the world between a man and a women, and understanding the Celestial covenant is made be between God and man.
http://www.byu.tv/index.html?start=5750.945&stop=6466.512&show=&ep=http://qmplive.xlontech.net/byutv/stream/070914.qvt

[restornu]

Nice shiny shovel you have there!:)

[MHGinTN]

Hope you like it ... it’s leaving nice dings in your religion’s ignorance and fraud facade.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

So, restornu.

Did Smith have the gall to say, “Ignore JESUS’ own words about adultery!”

You can quote LDS scripture all you want.

But Jesus’ words are written for the world to see. And even Smith cannot undo what Christ Himself has proclaimed.

[colorcountry]

Speaking of the heart of Joseph Smith regarding the lust he felt for his ‘wives.’

Eliza R.Snow had this to say regarding the ‘Profit.’

Eliza R. Snow when asked the question if she was not a virgin although married to Joseph Smith and afterwards to Brigham Young, when she replied in a private gathering, “I thought you knew Joseph Smith better than that.”” (Stake President Angus M. Cannon, statement of interview with Joseph III, 23, LDS archives.)

How about these:

- Emily D. Partridge (Smith Young) said she “roomed” with Joseph the night following her marriage to him and said that she had “carnal intercourse” with him. (Temple Lot case (complete transcript), 364, 367, 384; see Foster, Religion and Sexuality, 15.)

- Faithful Mormon Melissa Lott (Smith Willes) testified that she had been Joseph’s wife “in very deed.” (Affidavit of Melissa Willes, 3 Aug. 1893, Temple Lot case, 98, 105; Foster, Religion and Sexuality, 156.)

In total, 13 faithful latter-day saint women who were married to Joseph Smith swore court affidavits that they had sexual relations with him.

- Joseph Smith’s personal secretary records that on May 22nd, 1843, Smith’s first wife Emma found Joseph and Eliza Partridge secluded in an upstairs bedroom at the Smith home. Emma was devastated.
William Clayton’s journal entry for 23 May (see Smith, 105-106)

(((resty, plug your ears, this might cause them to burn....shut your eyes nice and tight, we wouldn’t want you to see the truth)))

[restornu]

I see you switch from your shovel to cut and paste! LOL

[JRochelle]

I wonder what percent of Mormons who discover the truth give up on all religion.

I’d bet its rather high.

[restornu]

Pharisee and Sadducees could not receive nor understand the higher law from the Jesus either, so don’t feel alone at least they should be interesting neighbors of yours someday!:)

[colorcountry]

Why are you still shoving resty? Climb out of that hole....see the light.

[restornu]

...heard it also soothe anxiety!:)

[colorcountry]

So does alcohol...

Did you know Jesus drank wine?

[colorcountry]

Most Mormons who leave the so-called Church become agnostic or athiestic. It is the biggest crime of Mormonism....robbing its members of ever coming to Christ.

But God moves in mysterious ways. After twenty years as a God-less heathen, He saved me. He can save anyone.

[colorcountry]

Have you taken your benadryl? Are you ready for this....it COULD cause you some anxiety (if you actually read it)

- Stake President Angus Cannon also testified: “I will now refer you to one case where it was said by the girl’s grandmother that your father [Joseph Smith] has a daughter born of a plural wife. The girl’s grandmother was Mother Sessions . . . She was the grand-daughter of Mother Sessions. That girl, I believe, is living today, in Bountiful, north of this city. I heard prest. Young, a short time before his death, refer to the report . . . The woman is now said to have a family of children, and I think she is still living.” (Stake President Angus M. Cannon, statement of interview with Joseph III, 25-26, LDS archives.)

- Faithful Mormon and wife of Joseph Smith, Sylvia Sessions (Lyon), on her deathbed told her daughter, Josephine, that she (Josephine) was the daughter of Joseph Smith. Josephine testified: “She (Sylvia) then told me that I was the daughter of the Prophet Joseph Smith, she having been sealed to the Prophet at the time that her husband Mr. Lyon was out of fellowship with the Church.” (Affidavit to Church Historian Andrew Jenson, 24 Feb. 1915)

- In her testimony given at a Brigham Young University devotional, Faithful Mormon Mary Elizabeth Rollins Lightner stated that she knew of children born to Smith’s plural wives: “I know he [Joseph Smith] had six wives and I have known some of them from childhood up. I know he had three children. They told me. I think two are living today but they are not known as his children as they go by other names.” (Read her full BYU testimony here: http://www.ldshistory.net/pc/merlbyu.htm)

- Faithful Mormon Prescindia D. Huntington, who was Normal Buell’s wife and simultaneously a “plural wife” of the Prophet Joseph Smith, said that she did not know whether her husband Norman “or the Prophet was the father of her son, Oliver.” And a glance at a photo of Oliver shows a strong resemblance to Emma Smith’s boys.
(Mary Ettie V. Smith, “Fifteen Years Among the Mormons”, page 34; also Fawn Brodie “No Man Knows My History” pages 301-302, 437-39)

[restornu]

...in your mind wine is fermented! LOL