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To: Cvengr
Very well thought & reasoned post. I can’t say I disagree w/ a lot of what you posted & indeed most is what we believe. Faith in & through Jesus Christ is absolutely indispensable. We accept both the humanity & Deity of the Lord. Faith indeed is not rationalism as some here espouse.

Your feelings on the Holy Ghost & his workings are dead on for the better part. Much of what you say re: deceiving spirits is also very pinpoint & correct. Our differences are not as far apart as you may think. Aside for our differences & views on John 10 vs. John 17 & predetermination, I think we have a lot in common in your post.

My question to you was in re: to the Godhead & how you viewed the scriptures I mentioned in relation to the Scriptures you cited & your beliefs. That view of the Godhead is essential & important. I understand your beliefs & respect them. However, they just don’t match up for me. Especially given the description of “one” in John 17. Augment that w/ the difficulty of explaining why the Lord was often talking in terms of distinct separation & that the trinity really has it’s genesis at about 325 AD w/ men that claimed no direct revelation re: the matter & believed that the Lord no longer talked directly to his living oracles the prophets, & it can be a confusing matter to many.

Ultimately though, as you very well put it, it comes down to putting your faith in Christ & asking Him about the truth. Through the power of the Holy Ghost, those answers will come to the sincere in heart. Thanks for your thoughts.

368 posted on 09/19/2007 11:36:30 AM PDT by Reno232
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To: Reno232

I don’t follow the argument of the Trinity only originating circa 4th century.

John Himself writes regarding the Word of God in John 1:1-3

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Targums written regarding Yahweh identify the Lord with the word, MEMRA, or “WORD”.

Even in English, the same meaning is conveyed.

Yahweh identified as God; the second person identified as God in the Word or Memra.

In a less formal fashion, we can read Scripture and simply acknowledge God is spoken of semantically as three persons, but still one with another. One God, three persons.

He’s known to us by over 350 names in Scripture, but while we have faith through Him, He provides salvation.


373 posted on 09/19/2007 12:19:27 PM PDT by Cvengr (The violence of evil is met with the violence of righteousness, justice, love and grace.)
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