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Lutheran leader raps Vatican stand on Reformation communities
Insight Scoop ^ | September 12, 2007 | Carl Olson

Posted on 09/12/2007 1:56:57 PM PDT by NYer

From CWNews:

The Lutheran bishop of Greenland has criticized a Vatican statement on the role of the Catholic Church.

Speaking at an ecumenical leaders' convention on the environment, hosted by the Orthodox Patriarchate of Constantinople, Lutheran Bishop Sofie Peterson took aim at a document released in July by the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, on the unique role of the Catholic Church in the economy of salvation.

In that document, the Vatican had said that Protestant communities, because they have not preserved the Eucharist or the apostolic succession, "cannot, according to Catholic doctrine, be called 'churches' in the proper sense." Bishop Peterson objected to that statement of doctrine.

"I do not understand, I truly do not understand why the Vatican has done this," said the Lutheran leader, the divorced mother of a teenage daughter. "We have a church, we have a church and the Vatican must respect us. It was sad to read this document, I was profoundly hurt.”

Hmmm..."the  Vatican must respect us"? Something tells me this isn't exactly something Martin Luther would be proud of. And, frankly, I would respect his direct and sometimes harsh approach far more than this sort of theologically-clueless "I deserve respect!" whining. With all due respect, grow up and be a, um, uh, Lutheran?


TOPICS: Catholic; Ecumenism; Mainline Protestant; Orthodox Christian
KEYWORDS: lutheran; reformation
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Bishop Sofie Peterson
1 posted on 09/12/2007 1:56:59 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 09/12/2007 1:57:49 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer

You can’t make this stuff up - it is impossible to parody the modern Church.


3 posted on 09/12/2007 2:02:30 PM PDT by joebuck
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To: NYer

I’ll bet Benedict is having a good laugh!


4 posted on 09/12/2007 2:03:35 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: NYer
the Lutheran leader, the divorced mother of a teenage daughter

Yeah, I'm sure the Pope will be respecting this creature's church real soon.

5 posted on 09/12/2007 2:05:46 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: NYer

I, too, was surprised when this document came out. I was shocked that the Vatican felt it needed to state again what anyone who has been paying attention already knew: The Eastern Churches share the historic theology and apostolicity and are therefore proper churches. The Protestants rejected apostolicity and the historic teachings of the Church. Except for the scriptures and some vestigal sacraments, they have separated themselves from the Church founded by Christ in word and deed.

This woman ought to read a book or something. She knows nothing of Church teaching. It is clear that she knows little theology when she could not engage the text and arguments but rather professed her feelings.

If folks had some more thoughts and a few less feeeeeeelings, perhaps ecumenical dialogue could get somewhere.


6 posted on 09/12/2007 2:11:02 PM PDT by jacero10 (All roads lead to Rome!)
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To: NYer

7 posted on 09/12/2007 2:13:02 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: NYer

Of course it’s perfectly fine for Protestants to call the Catholic Church the “Whore of Babylon,” to claim that Catholics are not “Christians”, and to brag about all the “recovering Catholics” in their congregations, but for the Catholic Church, with her own understanding of ecclesiology, to claim as she has always done that the Catholic Church is the true visible Church established by Christ and to claim that Protestant bodies are not true “churches” in the sense that the Catholic Church understands the term, why, that’s just outrageous!


8 posted on 09/12/2007 2:16:46 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: MarkBsnr

ROTFL!

I know what you were thinking -;)


9 posted on 09/12/2007 2:20:18 PM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: NYer
Sort of like the Pope saying "Hier stehe Ich!"
10 posted on 09/12/2007 2:27:30 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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Something tells me this isn't exactly something Martin Luther would be proud of.

I wonder if She knew that Luther had a low opinion of women.

(from Luther's Works 12.94) "The word and works of God is quite clear, that women were made either to be wives or prostitutes."

(From Luther's Works 20.84) "Even though they grow weary and wear themselves out with child- bearing, it does not matter; let them go on bearing children till they die, that is what they are there for."

11 posted on 09/12/2007 2:28:54 PM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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What? Whaaat?

I just ran across a picture of a nice elephant seal and thought that I’d share my affection for them with the readership.

Really!!!


12 posted on 09/12/2007 2:29:01 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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The woman's whiny demand that her group be "respected" is risible.

Deriding her physical appearance not a good thing.

13 posted on 09/12/2007 2:42:12 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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BWAAHHHAAA!!! I bet a native of Greenland wouldn’t hesitate a second if the “bishopess” came up to a breathing hole in the ice...

Freegards


14 posted on 09/12/2007 2:46:56 PM PDT by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed says Keep the Faith!)
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To: NYer

I don’t supposed it would garner much sympathy to complain about the Lutheran bashing on this thread.


15 posted on 09/12/2007 2:52:46 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: iowamark

I think he is probably sadly sighing, and shaking his head.


16 posted on 09/12/2007 2:54:16 PM PDT by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: Mr. Lucky

I think it is more that this individual Bishop has very little understanding of the discussion, and also chose to use ...inappropriate language... to express herself. I certainly think most Lutherans have things a lot more together.

In addition, there are the subtle insults to looks that plague these forums.


17 posted on 09/12/2007 3:12:08 PM PDT by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: Mr. Lucky

Any Lutheran who would acknowledge the so-called bishop deserves a bit of bashing. The LCMS needs to send some missionaries to Germany.


18 posted on 09/12/2007 3:19:09 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Patriotic1

Frankly, it’s the behavior of this woman that I consider to be Lutheran bashing. (Although, comments making fun of her Inuit features are inappropriate)


19 posted on 09/12/2007 3:21:07 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: ArrogantBustard
Point of order . . .

There's a difference between deriding the physical appearance of somebody who can't help the way they look, and deriding the physical appearance of somebody who apparently doesn't care how they look.

This bishopess falls into the latter category. Her lack of care for her personal appearance indicates a lack of self respect and decency.

20 posted on 09/12/2007 3:25:58 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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