[DungeonMaster]

The Marian dogmas were big problems. I still thought [around 1984] the Catholic claims on Mary were outrageous. I went back and read some essays, and concluded that the Bible alone wouldn't compel acceptance of the Marian dogmas; the Bible alone wouldn't lead you to them, yet sustained theological reflection on Jesus' relationship to His mother; if you take the humanity of Jesus with the utmost seriousness, and you take Mary as a real mother, not just a "conduit," and you begin to think about motherhood and sonship, and you think about what it means to receive a body from your mother: flesh . . . God didn't make Jesus' flesh in Mary's womb; He got Mary's flesh.

Sure doesn't agree with the attitude of the bible.

Luke11:27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” 28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”

[annalex]

We discussed that before. In that passage of Luke 11 the veneration of Mary is approved and also veneration of other saints is approved on the same principle on which we venerate Our Lady: hearing and keeping the Word.

[Mad Dawg]

Are you suggesting that Mary did not hear the word of God or keep it?

Heck, she BORE the Word of God! And she kept Him, in her womb and then as a baby. And that followed her eharing the word as delivered by Gabriel.

In other news, I would respectfully call your attention to this post in which I compare heaven to beer.