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To: narses
Mary is dead and only if she is omniscient can she hear you, not to mention hearing all Catholics who pray to her at the same time. So it is not the same as asking me to pray for you.

As for Gabriel, the story makes that case, not me. The child is saying that it is good to pray to Mary because of the scripture about the angel addressing Mary. What I posted was a question.

54 posted on 08/25/2007 10:50:00 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

“Mary is dead ...”

So you do not believe in the Saints being ALIVE in Heaven? What is the name of your cult?


55 posted on 08/25/2007 11:05:19 AM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Mary is alive and in Heaven, along with the rest of the communion of saints.

You are mistaken about the nature of omniscience. Omniscience means “knowing everything”. Our Lady does not know everything. Only God the Father knows everything.

Our Lady and the rest of the saints are alive in Heaven, which lies outside of the space and time we know. In Heaven, all our yesterdays and tomorrows are one with the eternal “now”; the past and future are as an open book on a table to the saints. To speak of Heaven in terms of time is a misapprehension of the nature of Heaven, where there is no Was or Will Be, only an eternal I AM.

Heaven has no time. It is always and forever. And so is every person living there.


59 posted on 08/25/2007 11:37:11 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
only if she is omniscient can she hear you, not to mention hearing all Catholics who pray to her at the same time.

I don't see that that follows. Knowing more than I know and being able to do more than I can do doesn't mean that one knows everything that can be known or can do everything that can be done, any more than Say, Dubya's being able to run faster than I can means that he can run at the speed of light.

So Mary could "hear" more, even WAY more, than you or I can hear without being omniscient or omnipotent.
So praying to her does not logically require that one believe she is omniscient or omnipotent.

I imagine you disagree, but it seems to me whatever one believes one has to see that being able to do more doesn't mean being able to do everything.

64 posted on 08/25/2007 12:59:53 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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