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To: DragoonEnNoir
Understood... but if the teachings of the ‘vicar’ contradict the head, what do you do?

They don't contradict. In matters of the faith and of morals, the pope is infallible.

it does not refer to Peter as the ‘rock’ in a way that denotes that he is the physical rock

Petra vs. Petros, correct? IMO, that shows the importance of Peter against the importance of Christ. Obviously, Peter's importance pales in comparison. Now, that's just my opinion on "petra" vs. "petros" ... I'm sure the Church has an official stance on this, but you asked for my personal opinion when we began this and I'm offering that.

It also ignores other scripture where Peter is chastised

At no time does the Church deny that Peter was human and erred as humans do. A sinless life is not a requirement of an apostle. God does not called the qualified, he qualifies the called. Also, not long after being chastised, he also denied Christ 3 times as predicted. But read on ... he then became a pillar of faith.

What a sad thing when people use trust in scripture as an attack.

Wasn't an attack on my part. From reading your replies, you sounded as if that was something you held to.

We are to use the Words of God to test the wisdom of man... not the other way around.

Agreed. But God's word is not limited to the Bible. As scriptures says ... we will know them by their fruits.

105 posted on 09/04/2007 10:45:19 AM PDT by al_c
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To: al_c
At no time does the Church deny that Peter was human and erred as humans do.

In matters of the faith and of morals, the pope is infallible.

Why do you ascribe to the Pope infallibility, when you do not ascribe it even to Peter? If we look at the Apostles, they were far from perfect in matters of faith. They lacked the faith to walk on water, they ran from Christ when he was arrested, they denied him when questioned... so where does the idea that the Pope is infallible come from? Historically, there have been many Popes of poor and even depraved morality. I do not say this to condemn any Pope or Catholic believer, but to affirm that the Pope is just a man, subject to human failures... and must be accounted as one. There is only one who is perfect, and we should not credit men with the qualities that belong to God. To do so merely builds false idols.

But God’s word is not limited to the Bible.

Absolutely... but we use to scriptures to test whether something conforms to God’s Word.

His peace be with us all.

106 posted on 09/04/2007 4:55:01 PM PDT by DragoonEnNoir
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