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To: ArrogantBustard
What spiritually wayward Fatima?

What’s there to say about her crazy antics? They speak for themselves. The daughter of Mohammad is not someone I’d pray too - so go ahead pray to her - see her in visions and listen to her garbled prophecies ... it’s no different than believing in the Muslim allah and that allah is NOT Christ.

It's not up to me to educate you about Fatima - just another fraud and DETRACTS AWAY FROM CHRIST. You know ... your self appointed moniker ArrogantBustard" fits you well. Good choice!

98 posted on 08/16/2007 9:31:56 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: nmh; NYer; Aquinasfan; klossg; pgkdan
Nice dodge, nmh, but it didn't work.

Your words: "Catholics also embrace Mohammad's spiritual wayward daughter, Fatima."

That is an accusation against Catholics, which I demand in the Name of Our Lord Jesus Christ that you either substantiate or retract.

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.

99 posted on 08/16/2007 9:36:54 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: nmh; Arrogant Bastard
The daughter of Mohammad is not someone I’d pray too

Muslims named the village Fatima when they conquered Portugal. Catholics didn't name the town Fatima.

Mary (Our Lady of Fatima) miraculously appeared to three children at Fatima in 1917. Catholics ask Mary, the mother of Jesus, the mother of God, to pray for us.

So why did God choose Fatima for this miracle? The following is Bishop Sheen's hypothesis.

It is our firm belief that the fears some entertain concerning the Moslems are not to be realized, but that Moslemism, instead, will eventually be converted to Christianity, and in a way that even some of our missionaries never suspect.

It is our belief that this will happen not through the direct teaching of Christianity, but through a summoning of the Moslems to a veneration of the Mother of God.

This is the line of argument:

The Koran, which is the bible of the Moslems, has many passages concerning the Blessed Virgin. First, the Koran believes in her Immaculate Conception and in her Virgin Birth. The third chapter of the Koran places the history of Mary’s family in a genealogy that goes back through Abraham, Noah, and Adam. When one compares the Koran’s description of the birth of Mary with the apocryphal Gospel of the birth of Mary, one is tempted to believe that Mohammed very much depended upon the latter.

Both books describe the old age and the definite sterility of Anne, the mother of Mary. When, however, Anne conceives, the mother of Mary is made to say in the Koran: “O Lord, I vow and I consecrate to you what is already within me. Accept it from me.” When Mary is born, her mother, Anne, says: “And I consecrate her with all of her posterity under thy protection, O Lord, against Satan!”

The Koran has also verses on the Annunciation, Visitation, and Nativity. Angels are pictured as accompanying the Blessed Mother and saying, “O Mary, God has chosen you and purified you, and elected you above all the women of the earth.”

In the nineteenth chapter of the Koran, there are forty-one verses on Jesus and Mary. There is such a strong defense of the virginity of Mary here that the Koran, in the fourth book, attributes the condemnation of the Jews to their monstrous calumny against the Virgin Mary.

Mary, then, is for the Moslems the true Sayyida, or Lady. The only possible serious rival to her in their creed would be Fatima, the daughter of Mohammed himself. However, after the death of Fatima, Mohammed wrote: “Thou shalt be the most blessed of all the women in Paradise, after Mary.” In a variant of the text, Fatima is made to say, “I surpass all the women, except Mary.”

This brings us to our second point, namely, why the Blessed Mother, in this twentieth century (1950), should have revealed herself in the insignificant little village of Fatima, so that to all future generations she would be known as “Our Lady of Fatima.”

Nothing ever happens out of Heaven except with a finesse of all details.

I believe that the Blessed Virgin chose to be known as “Our Lady of Fatima” as a pledge and a sign of hope to the Moslem people, and as an assurance that they, who show her so much respect, will one day accept her Divine Son, too.

Evidence to support these views is found in the historical fact that the Moslems occupied Portugal for centuries. At the time when they were finally driven out, the last Moslem chief had a beautiful daughter by the name of Fatima. A Catholic boy fell in love with her, and for him she not only stayed behind when the Moslems left, but even embraced the Catholic faith. The young husband was so much in love with her that he changed the name of the town where he lived to Fatima. Thus, the very place where Our Lady appeared in 1917 bears a historical connection to Fatima, the daughter of Mohammed.

The final evidence of the relationship of Fatima to the Moslems is theenthusiastic reception that the Moslems in Africa and India and elsewhere gave to the Pilgrim statue of Our Lady of Fatima. Moslems attended the Catholic services in honor of Our Lady; they allowed religious processions and even prayers before their mosques; and in Mozambique the Moslems, who were unconverted, began to be Christian as soon as the statue of Our Lady of Fatima was erected.

Missionaries in the future will increasingly see that their apostolate among the Moslems will be successful in the measure that they preach Our Lady of Fatima. Because the Moslems have a devotion to Mary, our missionaries should be satisfied merely to expand and to develop that devotion with the full realization that Our Blessed Lady will carry the Moslems the rest of the way to her Divine Son.

As those who lose devotion to Mary lose belief in the Divinity of Christ, so those who intensify devotion to her gradually acquire that belief.


112 posted on 08/17/2007 5:54:23 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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