[CarrotAndStick]

Nice tagline, but does your earlier answer imply that God created man with a defect?

[jonno]

Nope. Your inference that Man is thus a product of an infallible force, which then implies that Man cannot err, because he was created by a perfect perfectionist is just that - your inference.

IOW neither you nor I know with what standard God created - what he thought was perfect. It is my opinion that God creates at his own whim - without consultation. 8^)

Is an ostrich less perfect a bird because it does not fly? Were man and the angels created less than perfect because God allowed for a free will - one that could even turn against him?

Can I - the pot, say to the potter - "why have you made me this way?".