Posted on 07/28/2007 6:17:10 AM PDT by xzins
I understand that your interpretion of the “emptying” passage is that it means simply that Jesus “put others before Himself.”
If that is correct, then are you saying that He didn’t really die?
Perhaps you believe that God can die? (I’m not trying to be a smart aleck; it’s a serious question.)
See my post 16.
His status as God the Son was never changed. But His actions here, the miracles, healing, His words, were a result of a man who spent time with His father and operated in perfect obedience.
I believe that we can also operate at that level. It’s an ideal of perfection, but we are created in His image, seated in heavenly places with Him, made to drink the same Spirit, baptised into Christ Himself. It’s the Father’s pleasure to give us the Kingdom, and may His will be done on earth (through us, since Jesus isn’t here anymore) as it is in heaven.
We are a new creation- a divine order of being, filled with the Holy Spirit and imitating Christ.
I've witnessed this myself. A cool passage has to do with Jehoshaphat wanting God's opinion of a joint military venture of his with Israel against Moab. He calls on Elisha. It's interesting (2Kings4) that Elisha calls in a harpist, and THEN the Spirit comes upon Elisha.
(and wrecks the place.:>)
Two words- Keith Green!
You don't have to understand it...You just have to believe it...
Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mar 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Loved Keith Green. I’ve still got his LPs at the house.
(Don’t have a needle for my turntable, though. :>)
“But His actions here, the miracles, healing, His words, were a result of a man who spent time with His father and operated in perfect obedience.”
Because he acted in obedience to the Father does not mean his actions on earth were not those of a God as well as those of a man.
Again...I think it is a disjoined view of Jesus to separate his Divine from his human nature.
He was - at all times - both. It is not mutually exclusive.
And while we were created in God’s “image”, we were not created to be “God.”
Christians were not able to perform miracles because they became god themselves, they were given those gifts through God - who consists of 3 persons.
So I think this debate is really about the Trinity and the role each of the 3 persons has in the Godhead.
I don’t see in any of the passages cited that Jesus somehow became unaware of his divinity, or somehow lost his divine attributes.
Excellent verse.
There’s also the one where Jesus says to James/John/and their Momma that the place at His right or left is not his to give.
And, of course, there’s the death on the cross.
Again...nothing there that describes Jesus losing his divine attributes.
I’m sensing a tendency toward nestorianism here.
Never thought about it.
And what's it mean if you say that He did not?
First (put that way) it means you're claiming to know something that it's impossible for you to know.
More generally, it could mean that you don't think IQ is particularly important in the situation.
Intelligence quotients didn't exists 2007 years ago.
Why would it become a subject of thought now?
That said, there is a big difference between intelligence and wisdom even in our understanding of the concepts. One can be highly intelligent and yet be a complete fool. There are also those who the world would not consider to be highly educated who are, never-the-less, wise in use of what learning and/or intelligence they have. Wisdom is knowledge appropriately applied and that is what is truly important about Christ. He had infinite knowledge and the infinite love, compassion and comprehension to apply it appropriately.
I don't raise chickens....:>)
I think there are problems with associating Jesus’ power and high intelligence.
Were not the Nestorians a group of people that your group still refers to as heretics??? And were murdered by your group because they wouldn't bow down to your religion???
I don't give a flip who the Nestorians were but I know a little bit of what the bible says...
I know what it says - I just don’t see how that means he somehow lost his divine intelligence.
Here's your problem...You just don't want to believe what it says...
Obviously not everything was revealed to Jesus, the man...
How Jesus could be tempted as a man as we are and still be God is something I won't understand til I get to Heaven...But I don't worry about it, I just believe it...
Come on....he’s like, God, part of the Trinity, his intelligence far surpasses those of mere mortals.....
Worst. article. ever.
I think the problem arises if we think that high intelligence (by our measurement!) is an essential element of Jesus's mission.
The author contends, for instance, that Jesus's miracles of healing required high intelligence to "repair" cells and so on ... and yet we know from the Bible, as well as other history, that the apostles performed miraculous healings and raised the dead. The prophet Elijah experienced miraculous multiplication of food and manipulation of the weather. They can't all have had the highest IQ ever!
So, if Einstein was smarter than you, then that makes Him closer to God than you?
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