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To: OLD REGGIE; Frumanchu; kosta50; Forest Keeper; jo kus

“Your dating is off by several hundred years, maybe as much as 1,300 years.”

I do so love being preached to by Western Protestants, especially when its about the Fathers. Tell me what bible college teaches about 3rd century sola scriptura.

“You do know of Wycliffe and Hus don’t you?”

Couple of 14th century Western heretics as I remember it, products of the Roman Church. Heresy is pretty common. Before the Great Schism it infected the entire Church, but most especially in the East. After the Great Schism the problem moved West were it appears to have taken root and flourished, especially since the 16th century.

“Unless of course you have your own definition of Sola Scriptura.

Sola Scriptura”

Proof texting the Fathers?!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL; OR, is there a consensus patrum on sola scriptura and if so, what is it? :)


9,868 posted on 10/25/2007 3:27:22 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis; OLD REGGIE; Frumanchu; kosta50; Forest Keeper; jo kus
Sola Scriptura”

Proof texting the Fathers?!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL; OR, is there a consensus patrum on sola scriptura and if so, what is it? :)

What difference would a consensus patrum make? In the end you are looking to a group of men to tell you what you believe.

The truth of Scripture is self evident or it is not.

9,870 posted on 10/25/2007 3:42:58 PM PDT by wmfights (LUKE 9:49-50 , MARK 9:38-41)
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To: Kolokotronis; OLD REGGIE; Frumanchu; Forest Keeper; wmfights; HarleyD; 1000 silverlings; ...
I do so love being preached to by Western Protestants, especially when its about the Fathers.

A man who has nothing to learn has learned nothing.

"Behold, in this thou art not just: I will answer thee, that God is greater than man.

Why dost thou strive against him? for he giveth not account of any of his matters.

For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not.

In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed;

Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction,

That he may withdraw man from his purpose, and hide pride from man.

He keepeth back his soul from the pit, and his life from perishing by the sword." -- Job 33:12-18


9,872 posted on 10/25/2007 3:55:13 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Kolokotronis; Frumanchu; kosta50; Forest Keeper; jo kus
I do so love being preached to by Western Protestants, especially when its about the Fathers. Tell me what bible college teaches about 3rd century sola scriptura.

1. I am not a Protestant.
2. No preaching at all.
3. Your dispute is with the Early Church Fathers quoted. Your refusal, or inability to respond is very telling.

Couple of 14th century Western heretics as I remember it, products of the Roman Church.

Both preached what was to be called "Sola Scriptura" beginning a few hundred years before the 16th century. This alone puts the lie to your 16th century assertion. The Early Church Fathers quoted also preached what would later be called Sola Scriptura. They were fortunate in that they lived before the "three legged stool" was invented. This saved at least a few of them from a fiery death.

Wycliffe died before before the Church could exact it's "justice" so the Pope ordered his bones exhumed, burned, and his ashes thrown in the river.

Hus wasn't so lucky. He was burned at the stake after being promised safe passage by the Pope.

Do you wonder why Luther didn't trust the promise of safe passage?

Proof texting the Fathers?!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL; OR, is there a consensus patrum on sola scriptura and if so, what is it? :)

You apparently didn't read the link I gave you or have difficulty with plain English. In either case I am not your tutor.

9,924 posted on 10/26/2007 12:25:03 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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