[Forest Keeper]

So, God created the first Covenant and predestined the people to corrupt it so that He could make another Covenant with them? But it's all people's fault? My goodness, FK, how repulsive that is. Does it ever occur to you that it may be man's free will and disobedience that corrupted the first Covenant and not because God desired it?

That never occurs to me since on earth it would have the controlling authority being man running man's plan instead of God running God's plan. Plus, in addition to God totally failing in His desire to have all men saved, it would make Him an even worse failure in His first Covenant, since He is omniscient. (Can God do anything right? :) Haven't you yourself said that God's plan was a gradual revelation to man? Wouldn't that be consistent with a preplanned two-Covenant system?

Also, in this theology, God thwarts His own will by being "bound" by His plan.

God carries out His original plan to the letter because it was perfect. If God's will is thwarted because He is "bound" from changing His plan then that is an admission that there was something wrong with the first plan. (Otherwise, there is no binding, God simply executes His perfect plan.) This would confirm your side's view that God allowed His own failure in His attempt at the first Covenant.

[stfassisi]

Do you believe that God answers the prayers of the people He created for hell?(as you say)

....Or does the calvinists believe these people are created without the ability to pray or do anything out of love at all?

Surly, the “all knowing” brilliant, John Calvin must have addressed this too -:)

[stfassisi]

The fact that the vast majority of them get run over and die doesn't seem to bother Him at all.

My Dear Brother....Would you make this same statement if you inserted the Name of "Jesus" instead of the word "Him".

Thus it would read... The fact that the vast majority of them get run over and die doesn't seem to bother "Jesus" at all.

Please think deeply on this Dear Friend.