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To: blue-duncan; Forest Keeper; jo kus; stfassisi; kosta50; P-Marlowe; xzins; D-fendr; Dr. Eckleburg
If He is not praying for the world then how can there be His intercession for the world?

It's the sufficient/efficient discussion mixed with modifiers and sentence structure.

Jesus death is sufficient to have saved all because the penalty of all sin was paid for. "If any man sin we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous, and he is the expiation for our sins, and not ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

All, however, don't accept.

9,340 posted on 10/18/2007 8:52:23 AM PDT by xzins (If you will just agree to the murdering of your children, we can win the presidency)
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To: xzins

“”If any man sin we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous”

John is writing in 1 John 2 to “ My little children” believers, who have an advocate, not the world.


9,341 posted on 10/18/2007 9:11:26 AM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: xzins; blue-duncan
It's the sufficient/efficient discussion mixed with modifiers and sentence structure.

Jesus death is sufficient to have saved all because the penalty of all sin was paid for. "If any man sin we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous, and he is the expiation for our sins, and not ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

All, however, don't accept.

Exactly. I am not sure where this elitist attitude comes from, since Christ seems to be open to ALL members of society, even the outcast, even the foreigner, even the sick and humble. But a Calvinist gets his hands on the Sacred Scripture and suddenly, God only cares about Calvinsts...

So much for the walls that Christ came to tear down. Calvin would have them re-built...

Regards

9,349 posted on 10/18/2007 9:55:10 AM PDT by jo kus
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To: xzins

“Jesus death is sufficient to have saved all because the penalty of all sin was paid for. “If any man sin we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous, and he is the expiation for our sins, and not ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”

All, however, don’t accept.”

I find myself in complete agreement with you.


9,374 posted on 10/18/2007 1:56:47 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: xzins

Another theological point upon which we agree, Padre.


9,389 posted on 10/18/2007 3:22:43 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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