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To: MarkBsnr; HarleyD; wmfights; Forest Keeper; blue-duncan; Quix; Alamo-Girl; P-Marlowe; xzins; ...
I've taken to ignoring most of your lengthier posts, Mark, primarily because they contain no Scriptural evidence for your goofy statements which day by day seem more and more smarmy and over-the-top. I guess that's what comes from not having a sound argument based on God's word.

When you can substantiate your points with Scripture, let me know.

You seem to have the minimum daily requirement of intelligence.

Golly gee. (((blush)))

I do not believe, as some Calvinists do, that the Holy Spirit is a messenger or emissary of either the Father or the Son.

Really? You've been misinformed...again. Where is the Scripture that denies the following...?

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." -- John 14:26


"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me" -- John 15:26

Is this more of your denying the Holy Spirit, Mark?

Calvin was correct when he wrote that Rome sought to erase the Holy Spirit from men's hearts while hoping to turn Him into a secret stash meant only for the magisterium to dole out to the highest bidder.

Repent of it.

9,282 posted on 10/17/2007 2:58:49 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

WCF Chapter 8:

8. To all those for whom Christ hath purchased redemption, he doth certainly and effectually apply and communicate the same; making intercession for them, and revealing unto them, in and by the Word, the mysteries of salvation; effectually persuading them by his Spirit to believe and obey, and governing their hearts by his Word and Spirit; overcoming all their enemies by his almighty power and wisdom, in such manner, and ways, as are most consonant to his wonderful and unsearchable dispensation.

CHAPTER 10
Of Effectual Calling
1. All those whom God hath predestinated unto life, and those only, he is pleased, in his appointed and accepted time, effectually to call, by his Word and Spirit, out of that state of sin and death, in which they are by nature, to grace and salvation, by Jesus Christ; enlightening their minds spiritually and savingly to understand the things of God, taking away their heart of stone, and giving unto them a heart of flesh; renewing their wills, and, by his almighty power, determining them to that which is good, and effectually drawing them to Jesus Christ: yet so, as they come most freely, being made willing by his grace.

and numerous other examples.

Is the Spirit the emissary of Jesus?


9,287 posted on 10/17/2007 3:19:23 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

“I’ve taken to ignoring most of your lengthier posts, Mark, primarily because they contain no Scriptural evidence for your goofy statements which day by day seem more and more smarmy and over-the-top. I guess that’s what comes from not having a sound argument based on God’s word. “

Why haven’t you answered my post on the WCF’s origin? Why are you following something that was commissioned, bought and paid for, voted on and ratified by the Parliaments of Great Britain and Scotland?

And if you were so Biblically based, why does the OPC site not either have a searchable Bible on its site, or at least endorse a version?

http://opc.org/bible.html says that:

Searchable Bible
The following links will carry you outside of the OPC website. We do not necessarily endorse everything found in the below sites, but we commend them as helpful for biblical research.

BibleGateway.com
Searchable ESV

You do have the Confession and Catechisms on your site.

Confession and Catechisms
When the Presbyterian Church in the United States of America was formed in 1788, it adopted (with minor revisions) the Westminster Confession of Faith, Larger and Shorter Catechisms (1647), as its secondary standards (the Bible itself being the only infallible rule of faith and practice). Officers in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church take a vow to “sincerely receive and adopt” these confessional documents “as containing the system of doctrine taught in the Holy Scriptures.”

Preface
Westminster Confession of Faith
Larger Catechism
Shorter Catechism
The following PDF documents contain the Confession and Catechisms with full Scripture proofs (several are quite large; please wait for them to load):

Title page, contents and preface
Westminster Confession of Faith with Scripture proofs (658 KB)
Larger Catechism with Scripture proofs, part 1 (questions 1-115) (418 KB)
Larger Catechism with Scripture proofs, part 2 (questions 116-196) (379 KB)
Shorter Catechism with Scripture proofs
Scripture Index
Note: The quality hardbound book The Confession of Faith and Catechisms with Proof Texts ($12.00, postpaid to USA addresses) may be ordered by sending an email to ccesec@opc.org or by sending your order to the following address:

Committee on Christian Education
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Box P
Willow Grove, PA 19090-0920
See also the Modern English Study Version (MESV), a helpful paraphrase of the Confession of Faith, but not a part of our doctrinal Standards.

A table showing the American Revisions to the Confession of Faith is also available.

I don’t believe that you guys hold the Bible up as your truth and your light, as you proclaim. The Orthodox Presbyterian (born in 1936) website indicates differently. It indicates only that the most important documents that you possess are the documents that the government of Britain and Scotland put together. Hardly a Church of God.

The USCCB website, on the other hand has the following links across the top of its pages:

About Us Topics News Readings Movies Bible Catechism Bishops Dioceses Departments Publications

You see? We have the Bible right on the site, along with all the other information that is important to us. If the Bible is so important to you, then why don’t you have a version on your site?

http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/

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9,365 posted on 10/18/2007 12:32:52 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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