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To: jo kus
We Catholics do not believe all of our future sins and mistakes are a priori forgiven before they are even committed

Did Christ die to pay for the sin you will commit tomorrow?

"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

"But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin." -- Hebrews 10:10-18

I don't know where the RCC gets the bulk of its doctrines, but it sure isn't from Scripture.

9,144 posted on 10/15/2007 8:50:07 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Did Christ die to pay for the sin you will commit tomorrow?

As usual, Dr. E, you misunderstand Catholic teaching. Thus, your attacks fall on empty space, hitting the straw man of your OWN construction.

Of course Christ paid for the sins that will be committed tomorrow. And as I have already said and you have not commented on, Christ died for the sins of ALL men, the World, even non-elect men and women. ALL sin has been sufficiently expiated for by Christ's one time sacrifice.

Now, Scriptures says that God desires that all men be saved. God has offered salvation for all men, since salvation comes from the forgiveness of sins. Forgiveness is available to EVERYONE. Now, if a Calvinist was able to follow the Scriptures, they'd find that one must FIRST ASK for repentance. Only THEN, is forgiveness of sin granted.

Thus, as usual, Catholic doctrines remain in place, backed by Scriptures and Apostolic Tradition.

Here is one example of MANY, MANY such verses:

"Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, each one according to his ways, said the Lord GOD. Repent and turn [yourselves] from all your iniquities, so iniquity shall not be your ruin. Cast away from you all your iniquities by which ye have rebelled, and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit; for why will ye die, O house of Israel? For I do not desire the death of him that dies, said the Lord GOD; therefore turn [yourselves], and ye shall live." Ez 18:30-32

Note, the last verse here. God does not desire the death of him that dies... It is only the Calvin god that desires that men go to eternal torture for not obeying a standard that man cannot even uphold...

So the reformers teach that God willingly makes vessels of death to condemn... That is in direct contradiction to this verse, and many others, to include Paul's quote to Timothy that you continuously side-step.

God offers salvation to those who heed God's graces to ask for forgiveness. How sad that Jean Calvin has so bedazzled you and completely fouled your understanding of who God is.

Regards

9,150 posted on 10/15/2007 9:03:32 PM PDT by jo kus
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

The Catholic Church gets the bulk of its doctrines from Scripture. Are you Pauling on us again?

Are you trumping the Gospels with misinterpretations of Paul? Are you bringing the blackness of ancient heresies back into modern dy?

Do you not pay attention to the Church Fathers, thinking that you are wise beyond them, that you are true beyond them, that you by yourself (with the crutch of the sainted Calvin) are capable of forming your own theology that is correct and true? Are you comparing one man to all? Are you saying that the Lord saying that He will accept men into Heaven is equivalent to sending them to hell?

Reformed theology is poor and sparse. I do not wonder that it has not the attractiveness to mankind compared to the Gospels. The only question is in what year the Calvinist gospel will finally suicide. The Shakers did some years back. Do we have some bets on the Calvinists?


9,151 posted on 10/15/2007 9:07:09 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I don't know where the RCC gets the bulk of its doctrines, but it sure isn't from Scripture.

Several RC's have posted me saying their church is more authoritative than Scripture. Now I understand why I can't find any Scriptural basis for all the stuff about Mary.

9,158 posted on 10/15/2007 9:50:00 PM PDT by wmfights (LUKE 9:49-50 , MARK 9:38-41)
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