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To: Alamo-Girl; D-fendr; Forest Keeper; kosta50; Kolokotronis; Dr. Eckleburg
Not so readily however do some realize that Light burns

And what's the implication? By this logic, those who are the closest to the light should be burned, because heat is inversely proportional to the distance.

But we know that this is not "our" kind of heat, for those who are the closest to God are the ones who are saved, and those who are the farthest are the ones who are "burned."

For our God [is] a consuming fire. – Hebrews 12:29

God is Love and Love doesn't change into hate. Rather those who love God are consumed by this Love, while those who hate Him experience that love as burning pain. There is nothing that burns as much as when those we hate return love.

Reading the Bible literally leads one to bizarre conclusions that God is somehow love and hate and a literal burning fire.

9,111 posted on 10/15/2007 5:33:03 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Alamo-Girl; D-fendr; Forest Keeper

“God is Love and Love doesn’t change into hate. Rather those who love God are consumed by this Love, while those who hate Him experience that love as burning pain. There is nothing that burns as much as when those we hate return love”

Indeed!

“I say that those who are suffering in hell, are suffering in being scourged by love.... It is totally false to think that the sinners in hell are deprived of God’s love. Love is a child of the knowledge of truth, and is unquestionably given commonly to all. But love’s power acts in two ways: it torments sinners, while at the same time it delights those who have lived in accord with it” +Isaac the Syrian

“...the sword of fire was placed at the gate of paradise to guard the approach to the tree of life; it was terrible and burning toward infidels, but kindly accessible toward the faithful, bringing to them the light of day.” +Basil the Great


9,118 posted on 10/15/2007 6:19:53 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: kosta50; D-fendr; Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; Dr. Eckleburg
Reading the Bible literally leads one to bizarre conclusions that God is somehow love and hate and a literal burning fire.

Not all fires are physical.

And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush [was] not consumed. – Exodus 3:3

Moreover, the words of God can only be Spiritually discerned.

Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. – John 8:43

God is Light. Light burns. When we walk in the Light, all our carnal desires and deeds – even what we used to think were “good works” but were in truth “filthy rags” - are burned (or made worthless, if you prefer) in the brightness of the Father’s glory Who is Jesus Christ.

This heaven and earth will be consumed by His fire. That which remains – His family and whatever was not consumed will appear in the new heaven and earth wherein He is all the Light we will ever need. (emphasis mine)

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. - I John 1:5-10

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. – 2 Peter 3:5-7

Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; - Hebrews 1:3

See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more [shall not] we [escape], if we turn away from him that [speaketh] from heaven: Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. And this [word], Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: For our God [is] a consuming fire. – Hebrews 12:25-29

But we are all as an unclean [thing], and all our righteousnesses [are] as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. – Isaiah 64:6

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: - Romans 3:10

If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. – I Cor 3:15

But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. Yea doubtless, and I count all things [but] loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them [but] dung, that I may win Christ, And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: - Phl 3:7-9

And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and [there were] seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. – Revelation 4:5

And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled. – Revelation 15:8

His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. – Revelation 19:12-13

And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever. – Revelation 22:5

Again, God is Light. Light burns.

In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. – John 1:3-4

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. – John 3:19

Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. – John 8:12

Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. – I Th 5:5

Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth. He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. – 1 John 2:8-10

Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. – Matthew 5:14-16

Maranatha, Jesus!

9,161 posted on 10/15/2007 10:48:27 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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