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To: Athena1

Paragraphs are your friends. Using them makes the posting so much more readable.

“Christ died on Friday, and was at rest on Saturday...Christ rose on the 3rd day, Sunday, our new day of rest.”

This makes no sense at all. If Christ was at rest on Saturday - the Jewish Sabbath - then there is no impetus based strictly on this rationale to create a Christian day of rest of Sunday. The only reason that it was changed was that the Catholic Church, acting upon its authority given to it by Jesus, decided to change it. You are following the traditions of the Catholic faith (you’re welcome).

“The worship of Mary is done anytime she is described as ‘sinless’ anytime she is ‘prayed to’, and anytime she is ‘exalted in anyway to the level of God.”

Was Mary sinless? We have evidence from Scripture, Gen 3:15, Luke 1:28 (Hail, Mary, FULL of Grace). If you are full of Grace, how can you be other than sinless?

We ask others to pray for us; we ask Mary and the Saints to pray for us. Would you ask a drunken bum on the street to help you with, say, a medical problem? Or would you go to an MD with post doctorate work in the speciality that would be of interest to you?

To repeat my statement, we just excommunicated a bunch of nuns that worshipped Mary. We don’t tolerate that practice.

“Reformed theology is not mechanical.”

It is entirely mechanical.

WCF:
Chapter III:

III. By the decree of God, for the manifestation of His glory, some men and angels[6] are predestinated unto everlasting life; and others foreordained to everlasting death.[7]

IV. These angels and men, thus predestinated, and foreordained, are particularly and unchangeably designed, and their number so certain and definite, that it cannot be either increased or diminished.[8]

V. Those of mankind that are predestinated unto life, God, before the foundation of the world was laid, according to His eternal and immutable purpose, and the secret counsel and good pleasure of His will, has chosen, in Christ, unto everlasting glory,[9] out of His mere free grace and love, without any foresight of faith, or good works, or perseverance in either of them, or any other thing in the creature, as conditions, or causes moving Him thereunto;[10] and all to the praise of His glorious grace.[11]

VI. As God has appointed the elect unto glory, so has He, by the eternal and most free purpose of His will, foreordained all the means thereunto.[12] Wherefore, they who are elected, being fallen in Adam, are redeemed by Christ,[13] are effectually called unto faith in Christ by His Spirit working in due season, are justified, adopted, sanctified,[14] and kept by His power, through faith, unto salvation.[15] Neither are any other redeemed by Christ, effectually called, justified, adopted, sanctified, and saved, but the elect only.[16]

VII. The rest of mankind God was pleased, according to the unsearchable counsel of His own will, whereby He extends or withholds mercy, as He pleases, for the glory of His sovereign power over His creatures, to pass by; and to ordain them to

Chapter V
I. God the great Creator of all things does uphold,[1] direct, dispose, and govern all creatures, actions, and things,[2] from the greatest even to the least,[3] by His most wise and holy providence,[4] according to His infallible foreknowledge,[5] and the free and immutable counsel of His own will,[6] to the praise of the glory of His wisdom, power, justice, goodness, and mercy.[7]

II. Although, in relation to the foreknowledge and decree of God, the first Cause, all things come to pass immutably, and infallibly;[8] yet, by the same providence, He orders them to fall out, according to the nature of second causes, either necessarily, freely, or contingently.[9]

Nothing that happens does so without the Reformed god making it so. Mechanical, meaningless and worthless are the deeds of men.

Chapter XVII
Of the Perseverance of the Saints
I. They, whom God has accepted in His Beloved, effectually called, and sanctified by His Spirit, can neither totally nor finally fall away from the state of grace, but shall certainly persevere therein to the end, and be eternally saved.[1]

II. This perseverance of the saints depends not upon their own free will, but upon the immutability of the decree of election,


God is responsible for all. Man is responsible for nothing. Everything that man does is programmed by the Reformed god.

Reformers “KNOW” that God is within you and that you are one of the elect going to Heaven. Gnostic.

Reformers utilize the writings of Paul as the basis for your beliefs over the Gospels. Marcionist.

Reformers believe that the Holy Spirit resides within them and guides them in all ways so that anything that they do is as a result of the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Montanist.


Read your own Confessions and experience their spiritual poverty. Read Calvin and experience his hate and rage and contempt for mankind. Really read them and understand them. Read the descriptions of the ancient heresies.

Then come back and tell me that I am rude.


9,077 posted on 10/15/2007 7:16:21 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg; suzyjaruki
Mark, if you are unable to read my replies, how is it you manage to respond?.

Your understanding of Reformed doctrines is at odds with your ability to show scripturally, where man has not been predestined to life by God alone. God gives man eternal life, man does not give himself eternal life.

The bible nowhere states that Mary was without sin. It only states that Christ was.

To pray to anyone other than God, is to commit blasphemy. I do not ask dead saints, no matter how godly and kind they were, to intercede on my behalf. 1. Because they cannot, and 2. Because only Christ was given the role.

9,089 posted on 10/15/2007 11:22:21 AM PDT by Athena1
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