If God wills all, and man sins, then God is responsible for man’s sins. You cannot have it both ways.
Ah, but you may not be in concert with the Calvinists that have been populating this thread: the Holy Spirit comes upon men and then they believe and then the indwelling occurred. Come on, folks, what is it? Is the Holy Spirit first, or is the Belief first and the Holy Spirit second? I’m waiting on pins and needles.
If you make a quantititative statement about sin, I’d really like it if you have Scripture to back it upl
I'm not having it both ways. You are imposing a duty upon God that does not exist. When God creates a reprobate, where is God's duty to either save him or give him the means to save himself? There is no duty, but you guys tax God with it anyway. :) If God intends to use a reprobate and sin is involved, then all God has to do is leave him alone, and he will sin. That doesn't make God responsible. Only if God "owed" something to the person would He be responsible. None on your side have yet told me what God "owes" to all men.
Ah, but you may not be in concert with the Calvinists that have been populating this thread: the Holy Spirit comes upon men and then they believe and then the indwelling occurred. Come on, folks, what is it? Is the Holy Spirit first, or is the Belief first and the Holy Spirit second? I’m waiting on pins and needles.
I have been reading all the posts on this thread and I don't see any problem here. We believe that first Holy Spirit comes into the life of a lost elect and changes his nature, thus enabling him to believe. We might say that the Spirit "touched" the person, but He does not indwell as yet. Then, there is belief. Then, Holy Spirit indwells forever. I don't know if I misinterpreted what you meant by "received", but what I just wrote is pretty standard for our side I think.
If you make a quantitative statement about sin, I’d really like it if you have Scripture to back it up.
OK: :)
Rom 6:1-3 : 1 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means ! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
How can we live in it any longer? We can't, so the regenerated heart will sin less.