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To: Athena1

Sunday rest is not Biblical. The Holy Day is identified only as the Sabbath, or Saturday. We decreed that the Holy Day be moved to Sunday, in honour of the the Lord’s accomplishments. But it does not say explicitly in the BIble that the day be moved. The Judaizers amongst us will be happy to fill you in on the details.

Christ died on Friday, by the way.

The Bible does not say that Jesus rose in Triumph on the New Day of Rest. You are following Catholic Tradition (you’re welcome).

Worshipping Mary is indeed blasphemy. We’ve just excommunicated a bunch of nuns who worshipped Mary, just because they worshipped Mary. It was a thread right here some days ago. We Catholics agreed wholeheartedly with the decision. Surprised?

We believe in single predestination. We have never claimed otherwise. We just put it together with the Biblical verses on free will. Apostolic and Biblical both.

Calvinism claims that everything is preordained and that the elect are going to heaven and that election is a one-off event. Therefore, logically, petitioning a Reformed God is worthless except as a mechanical exercise. We Biblical Apostolics do a whole bunch of praying, because we understand the benefits, as well as the necessity of it. The errancy of Calvinism would make praying unnecessary; also the errancy of Calvinism has stopped many Calvinists from evangelizing, calling it unnecessary as well. If you wish examples, Google is your friend. If you find it unfriendly, perhaps I can find some more examples.

I wouldn’t be able to list ALL of the heresies, but a partial list would include:

Marcionism. A second-century heresy of Marcion (ff. ca. 140) and his followers, who rejected much of the New Testament, except for the Gospel of Luke and ten of the Letters of St. Paul. The Marcionists claimed to preach a purer gospel after the manner of St. Paul; for them Christianity was purely a gospel of love to the exclusion of any law.

Gnosticism. The heretical theory that salvation comes through some special kind of knowledge, usually knowledge claimed by a special elite group. Gnostic theories existed before Christianity, and the Gnostics adapted the Gospels to their own views and for their own purposes, even composing pseudogospels, embodying their particular ideas and doctrines. Gnosticism held matter to be evil and hostile to the human spirit; it also essentially denied the truths of Christian revelation. Gnosticism as an organized sect or body of beliefs has long been extinct, but Gnostic ideas persist and surface in some form in nearly every major heretical version of the Christian faith.

Montanism. A second-century heretical movement that professed belief in a new “Church of the Spirit”. The Montanists believed they enjoyed the direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit. This claim meant that their fanatically rigorous views concerning morality superseded the authentic revelation of Christ that had been handed down in the Church. The heresy of Montanism, which claimed the great Tertullian (160-220) himself, was condemned by several Eastern synods and, finally, by Pope Zephyrinus around the year 202.

There are probably touches of a few more, but these are the main ones that I can identify. Hope it helps.


8,909 posted on 10/12/2007 2:31:46 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: MarkBsnr; suzyjaruki; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; blue-duncan; Forest Keeper
Christ died on Friday, and was at rest on Saturday...Christ rose on the 3rd day, Sunday, our new day of rest. Believers are the holy catholic, or universal church...No thnaks to you Mark, but to Christ alone! The worship of Mary is a heaven breaker whereas the specific day of sabbath is not. The worship of Mary is done anytime she is described as 'sinless' anytime she is 'prayed to', and anytime she is 'exalted in anyway to the level of God.

Reformed theology does not deny the law or its consequences. Reformed theology is not mechanical. Understanding that God's love is so effectual that its efforts cannot be stopped by mans will is nothing if not good news. Man would NEVER will himself to love God. The mystery of God's conforming our hearts and minds to that of Christ's through prayer, attending to the Word and by administration of the elements is also not mechanical, it's obedience to our benefit and Gods glory.

Neither, is it knowledge that saves us, though it certainly helps the believer to grow. It is by faith we are saved, and that, the free gift of God! We do not subscribe to 'new knowledge' from some mystical spirit. Reformers are not given to any of these heresies you accuse. That you do so is either because you purpose to be rude and false in your attack of it, or because you are completely ignorant of what reformed theology is.

What would help is if you tried to comprehensively read what is written to you.

To: Athena1 Sunday rest is not Biblical. The Holy Day is identified only as the Sabbath, or Saturday. We decreed that the Holy Day be moved to Sunday, in honour of the the Lord’s accomplishments. But it does not say explicitly in the BIble that the day be moved. The Judaizers amongst us will be happy to fill you in on the details. Christ died on Friday, by the way. The Bible does not say that Jesus rose in Triumph on the New Day of Rest. You are following Catholic Tradition (you’re welcome). Worshipping Mary is indeed blasphemy. We’ve just excommunicated a bunch of nuns who worshipped Mary, just because they worshipped Mary. It was a thread right here some days ago. We Catholics agreed wholeheartedly with the decision. Surprised? We believe in single predestination. We have never claimed otherwise. We just put it together with the Biblical verses on free will. Apostolic and Biblical both. Calvinism claims that everything is preordained and that the elect are going to heaven and that election is a one-off event. Therefore, logically, petitioning a Reformed God is worthless except as a mechanical exercise. We Biblical Apostolics do a whole bunch of praying, because we understand the benefits, as well as the necessity of it. The errancy of Calvinism would make praying unnecessary; also the errancy of Calvinism has stopped many Calvinists from evangelizing, calling it unnecessary as well. If you wish examples, Google is your friend. If you find it unfriendly, perhaps I can find some more examples. I wouldn’t be able to list ALL of the heresies, but a partial list would include: Marcionism. A second-century heresy of Marcion (ff. ca. 140) and his followers, who rejected much of the New Testament, except for the Gospel of Luke and ten of the Letters of St. Paul. The Marcionists claimed to preach a purer gospel after the manner of St. Paul; for them Christianity was purely a gospel of love to the exclusion of any law. Gnosticism. The heretical theory that salvation comes through some special kind of knowledge, usually knowledge claimed by a special elite group. Gnostic theories existed before Christianity, and the Gnostics adapted the Gospels to their own views and for their own purposes, even composing pseudogospels, embodying their particular ideas and doctrines. Gnosticism held matter to be evil and hostile to the human spirit; it also essentially denied the truths of Christian revelation. Gnosticism as an organized sect or body of beliefs has long been extinct, but Gnostic ideas persist and surface in some form in nearly every major heretical version of the Christian faith. Montanism. A second-century heretical movement that professed belief in a new “Church of the Spirit”. The Montanists believed they enjoyed the direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit. This claim meant that their fanatically rigorous views concerning morality superseded the authentic revelation of Christ that had been handed down in the Church. The heresy of Montanism, which claimed the great Tertullian (160-220) himself, was condemned by several Eastern synods and, finally, by Pope Zephyrinus around the year 202. There are probably touches of a few more, but these are the main ones that I can identify. Hope it helps.

9,002 posted on 10/13/2007 9:32:13 PM PDT by Athena1
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