[HarleyD]

Um it's a fact that the reformers by and large advanced their cause only by courting the powerful.

And the Church didn't???? The Church and politics at the time were intertwine. Luther's rebellion against the Church cast him into the world of politics. The Church, otoh, was cast into the world of religion.

[kawaii]

And the Church didn't???? The Church and politics at the time were intertwine. Luther's rebellion against the Church cast him into the world of politics. The Church, otoh, was cast into the world of religion.

Indeedy the reformers simply gamed the system same as the Catholics for their own gain.

[MarkBsnr]

“The Church and politics at the time were intertwine. Luther’s rebellion against the Church cast him into the world of politics. The Church, otoh, was cast into the world of religion.”

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Nice sound byte. :)

The Church is to be in the world, but not of it. Sounds quite clear, especially leading the fight against homosexual marriage, abortion and many of the fun things that are now being championed by many of the mainline and most of the non denominational Protetant churches.