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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe; xzins; Kolokotronis; jo kus; HarleyD; D-fendr; ...
FK: "Everything that I do that is GOOD is of God. Everything that I do that is evil, that is on me."

That's your pre-Calvinist "you" talking, FK. Harley D will remind you that what, who and where we are in this world is ALL God's doing. Others, including you, will remind us Orthodox/Catholic that God hardens those hearts He desires to harden and there's nothing they can do about it. If all is God's doing, then all the good and evil that we do is God's will being done, good or evil.

Harley and I are in full agreement as to God's "doings". :) We also agree that God does not inject evil into people in order to cause them to commit evil. My comment was carefully worded to say "on me", and designed to reiterate that we are still responsible for our own sins, regardless that the actions were ordained already. On the surface, this appears to fail human standards of fairness. That may be. Too bad. :) God does not owe us human standards of fairness. His ways are not our ways.

Herein lies the heart of Protestant heresy: in effect God is the doer of good, but God is also the doer of evil. There is no way around it, FK.

And that is exactly what my comment was intending to disavow. God is NOT a doer of evil. When God is artificially saddled with human traits and put under human standards, then it can look like that. However, since God is not actually subject to such things, the notion that He does evil does not apply.

8,710 posted on 10/11/2007 12:20:25 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe; xzins; Kolokotronis; jo kus; HarleyD; D-fendr
Harley and I are in full agreement as to God's "doings"

I don't see how you can say something like this. HD clearly states that what, who and where we are is God's doing. That would include you, and Judas, and the Pharaoh, and St. James and BEV Mery, and every human being, who lived, lives and will live.

If everything is God's doing, then ours is not neither good nor evil. It's a theological corner that all monergists paint themselves into, and then chose to ignore it.

8,716 posted on 10/11/2007 5:31:47 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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