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To: HarleyD; kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg; Alamo-Girl; wmfights; 1000 silverlings; blue-duncan; P-Marlowe; ...
But [the Arminian position is that] it is all man, not God, that does the saving. God only "inspires". The atonement is something for everyone and justification is simply doing something for God. In the end, if God does not choose or harden the hearts of men, one ends up with a God that has little participation in mankind. Instead, I see a God who is deeply involved in the affairs of man, atoning for our sins, ensuring our sanctification, protecting and nurturing us, and guiding our paths towards our glorification. We are His sheep of His pastures.

Amen, Harley. I agree in full. The most Jesus does for them is to hand the ball off at the 10 yard line. After that, each person is either able to run the rest of the way and cross the goal line or not. For us, Jesus always plays a quarterback-keeper. He runs straight up the middle and scores every time for the elect. As a team player, I always want the ball in the hands of our best player. :)

8,680 posted on 10/10/2007 11:55:58 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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Arminius as as much a heretic as is Marcion, or Calvin.


8,745 posted on 10/11/2007 7:19:30 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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