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To: MarkBsnr; suzyjaruki; Dr. Eckleburg
Not knowing what you mean by ‘lectured’ I will simply say that God commands us to take our petitions to Him.

He has foreordained us to salvation, and that is biblical. Can you show me where it is not?

The Spirit of God moves the believer to pray. It is a natural desire of a believer to pray as well as an act of obdeience to God. Again, show me where God claims He has not foreordained whatsoever comes to pass or where he has not asked us to pray to Him?

In my last post I spoke to two different ideas and you now try to make them one idea. That is dishonest, or you need to go back and reread my post for better comprehension. The elect know they are saved by His word and His spirit. But we cannot know who the unsaved are. And that, Mark, was made very clear in my post. Again, more redundancy with your questions? We do not know who is saved Mark, save for those who confess Christ, only God does. Potential believer? Only in that WE CANNOT KNOW who they are. How does this concept so elude you? Have you read your bible?

The RCC teaches heretical doctrine. Praying to Mary as just one example. As to any of the reformers being pure...no one is pure save God.

What are the ‘old heresies’ that reformed doctrine resurrected?

As to reigns of terror we only need to think of Bloody Mary and the inquisition...or if Spain and England are too tame, how about France and St. Bartholemy Day?

8,628 posted on 10/09/2007 7:16:29 PM PDT by Athena1
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To: Athena1; Dr. Eckleburg

Why does God command us to take petitions to Him? If you roll back through this thread, we have several strong Reformers that deny that the Lord’s Prayer is petition. Do you say different here? If so, what is the purpose of petitioning the Lord if all is predestined?

God has predestined all to Heaven; it is only those who choose to deny Him that choose hell.

I have read the Bible - and more of it than you have, since you have an abridged version. I think that I am clear on much of it; I study and have recourse to the Magisterium where I am either cloudy or wrong.

The Reformed have resurrected the old heresies of Gnosticism (innate knowledge) and Marcionism (elevation of Paul above the Gospels); different Reformed appear to have incorporated several others according to their whim.

If your Bible was complete, you would have more than adequate instruction and explanation about praying.


8,729 posted on 10/11/2007 6:38:11 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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