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To: MarkBsnr
You may have missed a portion of the reply in 8591:

You mean the part where celebracy is a good thing? Quite frankly, that posted wherever you picked it up is full of contradictions. I already pointed out:

Here's another...

This makes absolutely no sense in my mind. If the holiness of marriage is precious in God sight, why give it up? Is it becauses WE want to do something contrary to what God has instituted? Why should the Catholic Church tell everyone to go out and have large families and yet deny that to priests?

But the kicker is the use of Jeremiah. It should be noted that Jeremiah was told by God not to marry because everyone was going to be killed by the sword or famine. God was sparing Jeremiah from having to watch his wife die. This hardly has anything to do with Jeremiah giving up marriage to follow a higher calling.

But I'd like to hear your take on Hosea who God instructed to marry a harlot.
8,615 posted on 10/09/2007 12:36:04 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
You mean the part where celebracy is a good thing? Quite frankly, that posted wherever you picked it up is full of contradictions. I already pointed out:

Are you suggesting celibacy is a bad thing?

1Cr 7:7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
8,616 posted on 10/09/2007 1:28:32 PM PDT by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: HarleyD

I’ve never really gone into Osee very far.

The Catholic Encyclopedia says:

(a) In the first part, Osee relates how, by order of Jahve, he wedded Gomer, a “wife of fornications”, daughter of Debelaim, in order to have of her “children of fornications”:–symbols, on the one hand, of Israel, the unfaithful spouse who gave to Baal the homage due to Jahve alone; and, on the other, figures of the children of Israel, who in the eyes of Jahve, are but adulterous children. The outraged husband incites the children against their guilty mother, whom he prepares to punish: while for the children themselves is reserved a fate in keeping with their origin. The first is named Jezrahel–the reigning dynasty is about to expiate the blood shed by its ancestor Jehu in the valley of Jezrahel. The second is a daughter, Lô-Ruhamah, “disgraced”–Jahve will be gracious no more to his people. The third is called Lô- ‘Ammi, “not my people”–Jahve will no longer recognize the children of Israel as his people. However, mercy will have the last word. Osee is commanded to receive Gomer again and to prepare her, by a temporary retirement, to renew conjugal intercourse–Israel was to prepare herself in captivity to resume with Jahve the relationship of husband and wife.

The second part of the book is the practical and detailed application of the first. Van Hoonacker divides it into three sections, each of which terminated with a promise of salvation (iv-vii, 1a … vii, 1b-xi … xii-xiv). We may accept this division if we also admit his ingenious interpretation of vi, 11-viii, 1a:–And yet Juda, I shall graft on thee a branch (of Ephraim) when I shall re-establish my people; when I shall heal Israel. In the first section he speaks almost exclusively of religious and moral corruption. The princes and especially the priests are chiefly responsible for this and it is on them that the punishment will principally fall; and as he speaks simply of the “house of the king” it would appear that the dynasty of Jehu still occupied the throne. It is different in the following chapters. In vii, 1a- viii, the political and social disorders are especially emphasized. At home there are conspiracies, regicides, anarchy, while abroad alliances with foreign powers are sought. No doubt Menahem was already reigning. And yet the religious disorders remained the principal object of the prophet’s reprobation. And in spite of all, mercy ever retains its prerogatives. Jahve will gather together again some day His scattered children. In the last section it is felt that the final catastrophe is close at hand; and, nevertheless, once again, love remains victorious. The book ends with a touching exhortation to the people to turn to God who on His part promises the most tempting blessings. An epiphonema reminds at last every one that the good and the wicked shall receive the retribution each has merited.


8,720 posted on 10/11/2007 6:03:48 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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