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To: MarkBsnr
If the words of Jesus and the words of Paul appear to disagree, one must examine the words of Paul for misinterpretation. Paul cannot contradict Jesus. When Jesus says ‘all the world’ and words of Paul appear to say different, it is the words of Paul that are misinterpreted, not the words of Jesus.

Mark, I don't understand what you are saying here, I don't want to misinterpret (smile). Would you please give me an example?

8,607 posted on 10/09/2007 11:34:10 AM PDT by suzyjaruki (Why?)
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To: suzyjaruki

Here are some examples:

Rom.9
[15] For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
[16] So it depends not upon man’s will or exertion, but upon God’s mercy.
[18] So then he has mercy upon whomever he wills, and he -

Matt.5
[7] Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.


Matt.6
[14] For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you;
[15] but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.


Rom.3
[24] they are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus,
[28] For we hold that a man is justified by faith apart from works of law.
Rom.5
[9] Since, therefore, we are now justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.

Matt.12
[37] for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.


Rom.5
[21] so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

John.5
[24] Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me, has eternal life; he does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.


I’m kinda in the middle of things, but here are some Gospel verses:

The commandments (Love the Lord with all your heart, mind, strength and spirit; Love your neighbour as yourself): Matthew 19:19, Matthew 22:37-39, Mark 12:30-33 and Luke 10:27.

Follow him: Matthew 16:24, Matthew 19:21, Mark 8:34, Luke 9:23, Luke 18:22 and John 12:26.

Sell your possessions, give the money to the poor and follow him: Luke 14:33, Mark 10:21, Luke 18:22, Matthew 19:21 and Luke 12:33. Give to the poor: Luke 11:41 and Luke 14:13.

Faith: Did the disciples lack anything when Jesus sent them out? – Luke 22:35. Don’t worry about where your food or clothing is coming from: Matthew 6:25-31 and Luke 12:22-23.


Also, I found this little discourse about the apparent conflict between James and Paul:

The common but incorrect interpretation, leading to an apparent contradiction between Paul and James:

Paul supposedly said: Justification not by our good works, but by our faith in Jesus alone (see Gal 2:15—3:14 & Rom 3:21—4:25)
James supposedly said: Justification by our good works, not by our faith in God alone (see James 2:14-26)
Errors with these interpretations:

Paul is not talking about “good works”; he says “works of the Law” = Jewish/Mosaic laws on circumcision, sacrifices, dietary restrictions, etc.
For James, “works” are acts of charity = care for widows, orphans & the poor, love for neighbors, etc. (1:27; 2:8; 2:15-16)
Paul is not opposed to “good works”; he sees them as a necessary consequence (but not the foundation) of Christian life (Rom 12-15).
Similarly, James is not opposed to faith; he presupposes it, but stresses that authentic faith must be put into action, not merely words.
Paul is not talking primarily about our “faith in Jesus”; he means the “faith of Jesus” in God; our faith is a secondary response.
In contrast, James does mean people’s faith, primarily believing in God (2:23) but also believing in Jesus (2:1).
Paul does not presuppose the same definition of “faith” as James; for Paul, “faith” means “trusting” God, “entrusting oneself” to God’s plans.
For James, “faith” is more of an intellectual assent to theological truths, e.g. “believing that God is one” (2:19).
Paul did not write the word “alone” in Rom 3:28; Martin Luther was the one who added the word “allein” in his German Bible translation.
James does not write “by works alone” but stresses “not by faith alone”; he maintains that both have to go together.
Summary:

. Paul / James
Definitions of Key Terms: “faith” = trusting acceptance of God’s will

“works of the law” = regulations of the Jewish Torah
“faith” = intellectual assent to theological truths (2:19)

“works” = good deeds; putting religion into action (1:22-27)

Foundation of Justification,
Reason for Salvation: Jesus’ actions: the “faith of Jesus” in God
(i.e. Jesus’ trust, that led to his death on the cross)

not our actions: not fulfilling the “works of the Law”
adoption: God gave us birth by the word of truth (1:18)

and election: God chose the poor to be heirs of the kingdom (2:5)

Consequences for People,
Results of Being Saved: 1) We need to have faith/trust in Jesus (Rom 1-11)
and
2) We need to live ethically (Rom 12-15) 1) Our faith in Jesus, and 2) our works of charity;
both are necessary together (2:14-26)

Sorry it got a little scrambled. Hope it helps.


8,611 posted on 10/09/2007 12:02:59 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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