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To: MarkBsnr; suzyjaruki; Dr. Eckleburg
While the prayer is a very good one for Christian to pray, what is the point under Reformed doctrine? because God not only asks us to pray, but blesses us through it The non elect cannot be saved; their sins are not forgiven and therefore this and all prayers are pointless. God does not tell us who is elect and who is not. God uses his human agents to reach the unsaved. Therefore it is our duty to pray for and share the gospel with all men. The elect have ALREADY had their sins forgiven and therefore they are praying for something that has already occurred in the past. Pointless, again. Pointless when you misinterpret reformed doctrine. All sin is forgiven in the perfect work of Christ for those who believe. The Holy Spirit however continues to work in our sanctification. This is scriptural and I am surprised at your seeming ignorance of it?
8,515 posted on 10/08/2007 11:32:29 AM PDT by Athena1
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To: Athena1
because God not only asks us to pray, but blesses us through it

God does not tell us who is elect and who is not. God uses his human agents to reach the unsaved. Therefore it is our duty to pray for and share the gospel with all men.

Pointless when you misinterpret reformed doctrine. All sin is forgiven in the perfect work of Christ for those who believe. The Holy Spirit however continues to work in our sanctification.

AMEN! A splendid plan, ordained by God from before the foundation of the world, for His glory and the welfare of His children.

8,519 posted on 10/08/2007 11:46:46 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Athena1

Thanks for your reply. I am reasonably aware of the Holy Spirit and how He works; it is the Reformed theology that I have trouble understanding.

Now, under Reformed doctrine:

1. How does God bless you through prayer?

2. This thread contains numerous posts from Reformed who claim that they ARE elect and they know it. If God doesn’t tell them, how do they know?

3. The unsaved are always going to be unsaved. What’s the point of giving them the Gospel?

4. This thread contains numbeous posts from Reformed who claim that all of their sins past and future are already forgiven. If they are forgiven, then they are forgiven. Why would you pray for forgiveness, when, upon notification of being the elect, you are forgiven at that point in the past?

5. I thought that salvation is a one-shot deal. What does it mean that the Holy Spirit continues to work in your sanctification?

6. What defines a believer? Can a non elect be a believer?

If you could answer these through Reformed theology, I’d be grateful. We have had the teachings of Jesus, then the Apostles and the Church for 2000 years, and the Bible for 1700 years. It’s the Johnny-come-latelies with variably generated theologies that I have a little trouble understanding.


8,536 posted on 10/08/2007 12:57:52 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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