[jo kus]

The Incarnation "must" have happened because God ordained it. I don't understand how any Protestant could think of using "grudgingly" here. God devised His plan exactly the way He wanted it. He would have to grumble against Himself. :)

Why did God ordain it? Was He bound by some outside force, like the Bible? The incarnation did not have to happen. God CHOSE to save man in that manner.

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[irishtenor]

***Was He bound by some outside force, like the Bible?***

You concider the Bible, God’s word, as an OUTSIDE FORCE? Strange.

[Forest Keeper]

FK: "The Incarnation "must" have happened because God ordained it. I don't understand how any Protestant could think of using "grudgingly" here. God devised His plan exactly the way He wanted it. He would have to grumble against Himself. :)"

Why did God ordain it? Was He bound by some outside force, like the Bible? The incarnation did not have to happen. God CHOSE to save man in that manner.

I don't know why you would call the Bible an "outside force". God, in effect, WROTE the Bible. It's His word after all, not man's. ...... God COULD have ordered the universe such that man never needed saving. But He didn't. I presume that if the Fall of man was a given, that the Incarnation, crucifixion, and resurrection were NECESSARY for His plan to save man. I don't think God would have chosen "overkill" given the circumstances (no pun intended). If God's justice would have been satisfied with a couple of rams on the altar, then I assume that's what would have happened. If man's salvation could have been accomplished with LESS than what happened, then Christ died in vain.