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To: Alamo-Girl; kosta50
I wonder if the reason you insist on rejecting the definition of "Point in Infinity" (intersection of two parallel lines) is that you are viewing mathematics through the lens of the physical? Some concepts that are useful in mathematics do not translate well to physics - infinity is one of those concepts.

I think logically. The term "parallel lines" has a definition. If this definition is violated, it no longer IS a parallel line that we are discussing, but something else. If you have a triangle, and add another side to it, does it remain a triangle? Such speculations is nonsense to my mind. Parallel lines that intersect are not parallel lines anymore.

And at WHICH point would these "parallel lines" intersect at? If you distinguish between two points in infinity, you have destroyed the definition of eternity! As you note elsewhere, and perhaps do not realize it, the “Line at Infinity” is the straight line on which all “Points at Infinity” lie. I agree, and have said as such. ALL points on an infinite line are the same. Thus, if you distinguish between two points, say one that intersection occurs and one point where intersection does NOT occur at, you have distinguished and ruined your definition.

I wrote: My point is that God is not subject to time. Thus, the idea that "eternity is time without end" is an incorrect definition.

You replied: The second statement does not follow from the first. Of course God is not subject to time or space. He created them! His Name is I AM. That is why I aver that “timeless” is a better adjective than “eternal” when speaking of God the Creator of “all that there is” whether spiritual or physical - including time!

You seem to contradict yourself. First, you say that eternity is "time without end", which I say is incorrect, then you talk about "timeless as being a better adjective. Are you still in the midst of thinking out loud and trying to determine your point of view?

"Timelessness" means no time. Not "time without end". "Eternity" does NOT have a beginning. "Time without end" DOES! Thus, you are incorrect, as I have said before. Eternity and time without end are not the same thing.

Infinity is an unbounded quantity greater than every real number

I disagree. Infinity has no "quantity" because there is no distinction. Minimum and maximum are IDENTICAL! There is absolutely NO distinction in infinity. You have already admitted as such when you say "all points on an infinite line are the same". Infinity is not "one plus the last number"!

Eternity is not “no time” or “timelessness” it is “time without end” – or as the Epistle of Barnabas put it, a time of not counting.

I have already addressed this error. "time without end" is only projected in one direction. Eternity is without end in EITHER direction. Thus, there is no future or past in eternity. In "time without end", we realize that time has a starting point, but without end. That is TWO DIFFERENT things, A-G. I suggest you read Nicholas of Cusa and "On Learned Ignorance"

If it were “no time” or “timelessness” then it would be the ex nihilo - void, null, empty – which preceded God’s Creation of “all that there is” – both spiritual and physical.

That is revelation. "Before" God created time, there was nothing. We believe God created from nothing.

The Father is not begotten. Jesus Christ is begotten of the Father. The Spirit is from the Father by the Son.

"the Spirit PROCEEDS from the Father THROUGH the Son". The Father is the principle of the Spirit. Kosta, anything to add? Otherwise, you have expressed the catholic/orthodox trinitarian belief.

Regards

8,452 posted on 10/06/2007 12:17:07 PM PDT by jo kus
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To: jo kus; Alamo-Girl
Alamo-Girl: The Father is not begotten. Jesus Christ is begotten of the Father. The Spirit is from the Father by the Son.

"the Spirit PROCEEDS from the Father THROUGH the Son". The Father is the principle of the Spirit. Kosta, anything to add? Otherwise, you have expressed the catholic/orthodox trinitarian belief

Insofar as I know that the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church teaches only one source, the Father, for everything and all, including divnity, and the Latins do not subscribe to double procession, I have no objection.

As regards His existence the Spirit proceeds form the Faher alone. As regards the Divine Economy of our salvation, the Spirit is sent through the Son.

As St. John of Damascus (8th c.) says:

Insofar as A-G's statement "The Spirit is from the Father by the Son" makes the Son a necessary co-element in Spirit's procession, which is not the Trinitarian belief.

8,460 posted on 10/06/2007 5:57:50 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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