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To: D-fendr

Meaning those are his only choices. He has free will enough to choose from those two.

Saved man has three choices; sin, not sin, or do good works.


8,357 posted on 10/05/2007 4:37:39 PM PDT by irishtenor (How much good could a Hindu do, if a Hindu could do good?)
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To: irishtenor

Ok. I think I see at least this part.

So, a “natural man” could not have compassion and help an elderly lady carry out her trash or give a stranger the extra fifty cents he needs to take the bus.

If someone can do that, then they must be “saved”.

I’m constructing charity and compassion into this - to step up from not sin to doing good on purpose as you can see.

Do you see where either I disagree or don’t understand your formulation?


8,358 posted on 10/05/2007 4:44:46 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: irishtenor

Hopefully, I won’t muddle you with my two cents here:

Certainly, true acts of compassion come from God with our acquiescence at least. And wanting to help others is a change from pure selfishness. Seeing the world this way - our brother as our self - is part of transformation.

If we look at it in these terms, we might be on the same page. The disagreements then would be on the black/white, instantaneous, one time event salvation and the double predestination.

I don’t believer, for example, that there are many, if any, men who are incapable of any compassion or any act of true compassion, even though those acts may be exceedingly rare in their lives.


8,359 posted on 10/05/2007 4:52:44 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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