[D-fendr]

I don't see the difference between predestining one to hell and creating one already knowing that he will use his free will to choose against God.

Look at the difference in terms of what each says about the creator.

And ask yourself: Is a human being really human without free will?

[HarleyD]

Look at the difference in terms of what each says about the creator.

And what precisely does it say about the Creator in each of those examples?

[Forest Keeper]

FK: "I don't see the difference between predestining one to hell and creating one already knowing that he will use his free will to choose against God."

Look at the difference in terms of what each says about the creator.

I really don't see much of a difference. In both cases the person has ZERO chance of getting into Heaven. In fact, if God's true word is that ALL have a chance, then it would be more cruel, it seems, to create someone who has no chance, but yet has free will in the Apostolic sense. :)

And ask yourself: Is a human being really human without free will?

He would be less of a human being if he experienced that he didn't have free will. I'll agree to that. But of course, our actual experience is that of having a full free will. Therefore, regardless of which, if either, of our respective theologies is right on this, I don't think it really has any effect on our humanity.