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To: D-fendr; suzyjaruki; Dr. Eckleburg
"Totally depraved, but not untterly depraved. Ok, now I'm gonna have to ask you to 'splain the difference." Total depravity speaks to the entire being of man being corrupted; in his spirit, flesh, and heart. The totality of the corruption has not erased God's image, only marred every part of it. To be utterly depraved would be to have God's image eradicated. To not just corrupt every part but destroy every part that could give witness to being like God. To be utterly corrupt would be to have been corrupted to the furthest possible extent. Utter depravity is to become no longer recognizable as a human.
8,235 posted on 10/04/2007 4:53:35 AM PDT by Athena1
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To: Athena1; suzyjaruki
Total depravity speaks to the entire being of man being corrupted; in his spirit, flesh, and heart. The totality of the corruption has not erased God's image, only marred every part of it. To be utterly depraved would be to have God's image eradicated. To not just corrupt every part but destroy every part that could give witness to being like God. To be utterly corrupt would be to have been corrupted to the furthest possible extent. Utter depravity is to become no longer recognizable as a human.

Amen. Thanks for that excellent explanation.

It's like Lazarus. He was dead, not just asleep. But he was still a human being, yet 100% incapable of breathing without God bringing him to life again.

What I love about that parable is when Jesus is urged to hurry up and get to Lazarus before he dies. And Jesus purposely makes them wait until poor Lazarus is dead and molding -- to teach us a very important lesson...

"Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him." -- John 11:14-15

Jesus was "glad for their sakes" that He had waited until Lazarus was dead so that they would be able to more fully understand what He does for His flock -- He permits their death in order for them to live again through Him, according to the will of God.

8,267 posted on 10/04/2007 11:05:47 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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