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To: HarleyD
I would argue that you have the wrong implication. Every time God tells man to obey Him is simply evidences to the rest of us that we are incapable of obedience without His help.

You are forgeting that just because man has been given free will does not mean that God does not aid man to complete a task that man assents to, with God's help. You seem to hold an "either/or" idea, rather than one where God and man "work" together. If man has no free will, then there is no such thing as sin, since sin is a WILLFUL disobedience to God.

The west and Church has abandon their monergistic view of the western church. Roman Catholicism is moving towards Orthodoxy.

Nonsense. I have posted numerous Western Fathers that show they also believed in free will.

Regards

8,038 posted on 10/03/2007 9:36:37 AM PDT by jo kus
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To: jo kus
You are forgeting that just because man has been given free will does not mean that God does not aid man to complete a task that man assents to

I'm not forgetting that. Even Calvin and Luther stated that man has a will. The problem is that you see this as an "aid" whereas I see this as a "healing". God doesn't "aid"; He "heals". He gives man faith where there is none and raises man to a newness of life.

If man has no free will, then there is no such thing as sin, since sin is a WILLFUL disobedience to God.

You are confusing two conditions. The first condition is that man is dead. God must make man alive. Man cannot do this on his own.

The second condition is what happens after man becomes a new creature. He will from time to time willfully sin against God. God doesn't cast him off. Instead He chastises him so that he learns obedience.

8,049 posted on 10/03/2007 10:58:39 AM PDT by HarleyD
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