“are you telling me there is no salvation in the orthodox church?”
No, I am saying that you use the term differently from the way I do. I readily admit that I have only a limited understanding of what it seems protestants mean by being “saved”; a one time event, discrete in time so that one can indeed ask another “Are you saved?”, right? In Orthodoxy that sort of question is not asked because Orthodox theology does not look at theosis like the Protestant West looks at “salvation”. It isn’t a one-time event. If it isn’t a one time event then there is no saved/not saved problem to deal with. For us, the icon of the Ladder of Divine Ascent demonstrates the process of theosis and so one can have a series of ascendings and descendings, advances and slips throughout life here on Earth. After death, at the Final Judgment we are examined to see how much, if any, similitude we bear to Christ. How much is enough or how little too little we simply don’t know.
What a gamble!!
You must admit that John 3 does make salvation seem much more certain than that line makes it seem
You appear to have a little flock being led by shepherds who claim infallibility and led by the HS, but they seem to be at a loss when it comes to understanding the scriptures, especially John. I’m sure it’s a nice safe little flock but it’s not the only one.
An elegant, yet simple, summation, sir.
It appears to accurately reflect the Latin beliefs as well.