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To: Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; 1000 silverlings; suzyjaruki; irishtenor; wmfights; HarleyD; ...
I have seen you do this before and I'm asking you to stop making false statements, particularly when they concern me

Let me use a Protestant excuse I once heard: I may not be right all the time, but I am never wrong. (spoken like a true "elect").

Seriously, you wrote: "The phrase 'she shall be saved in childbearing' refers to the pain of childbirth."

The pain of childbirth was a punisment, not salvation. Now, if you so desire, you can go and spin as much as you wnat to sugar-coat this with out-of-context verses to your heart's desire, be my guest.

the other day you said Peter chastized Paul, which he never didM

Can you reference this?

FYI, I had natural childbirth and I don't recommend it

I don't blame you.

What do you know about childbirth, Kosta?

I would say more than an average Joe.

7,822 posted on 10/01/2007 5:42:21 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; 1000 silverlings; suzyjaruki; irishtenor; wmfights; HarleyD
1 Tim. 2:14-15, “And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.”

The context is speaking about transgression and the suffering in childbearing caused by the transgression. (Gen. 3:16, “Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.”) Paul is giving advice to women already saved and participating in the life of the church. They are already exhibiting “faith and charity and holiness with sobriety” in their walk and are told to continue in it. The use of “sozo” saved is similar to its interpretation as “healed” in (Mark 5:23), “And besought him greatly, saying, My little daughter lieth at the point of death: I pray thee, come and lay thy hands on her, that she may be healed; and she shall live.”

In other words their suffering in childbearing because of Eve’s transgression would not cause them to fear they were still in sin and lost. Otherwise, Paul is introducing a new means of salvation for all women, not just wives, and not available to men, and God is not a respecter of persons.

7,828 posted on 10/01/2007 6:25:02 AM PDT by blue-duncan
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