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To: jo kus; Dr. Eckleburg; irishtenor; suzyjaruki
Can you give me a bible verse that makes your claim? I would be interested to see that, since your speculations STRONGLY hinge upon this idea that Paul was speaking to you, 2000 years later... Since you are a "sola scripturist", can you show me from Scriptures alone where we get this idea from?

Quite frankly I wonder where your views are from, that you don't believe that the whole bible is written to to men everywhere in all times

1 Corinthians 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

Ephesians 1 :1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

1 John 11:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

2 John1:1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;

1 Peter1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

2 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

Jude 1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

Rev 1

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass

Rev22:16

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

22:20

He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

22:21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

1 Peter 5:14 Peace be with you all that are in Christ Jesus. Amen.

1 John 5:21 Little children keep yourself from idols, amen

1 Jude 2:17 butbeloved

2 Thess 1:4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:

Phillipians 4:21 Salute every saint in Christ Jesus

1 Cor 77:17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.

7,711 posted on 09/29/2007 10:53:42 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings
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To: 1000 silverlings; irishtenor; suzyjaruki; HarleyD
Rev. 22:18 -- "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book"

Amen! Great post.

Just imagine all the things that have been "added" by some -- transubstantiation; ministers as "another Christ;" Mary as co-redeemer; praying to the dead; kneeling before wooden statues...

(((shudder)))

7,716 posted on 09/29/2007 11:18:34 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: 1000 silverlings
I wonder where your views are from, that you don't believe that the whole bible is written to to men everywhere in all times

That is a subsequent tradition of the Church. Your quotes do not tell us that Paul writes to ALL men everywhere in ALL times.

The original letters were written to the community at large. Paul is clearly writing to a specific community in a specific time. Later, COMMUNITIES pass these letters around, seeing they have useful instruction in them. While we may say that God has written these letters to us after the fact, can we say that Paul wrote them to us? Secondly, these letters are written to the community. Not the individual. Thus, it is taking something out of context by applying the words written to a community and applying them to the individual. Clearly, Paul is not saying that EVERY PERSON in Corinth - or where-ever, will be saved for heaven. He says that the COMMUNITY will be - those who remain within it. Thus, for example, he says that those who commit particular sins will be disinherited from the Kingdom - 1 Cor 6:9-10.

By taking some of Paul's words to the community and applying it to you individually is a mistake, since the context is written to the community that perseveres, not to each and every individual regardless of their position with God.

Regards

7,734 posted on 09/30/2007 9:22:55 AM PDT by jo kus
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