My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give eternal life to them. They will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all. No one is able to snatch them out of my Father's hand. (John 10:27-29 WEB)
What percentage of Christ's sheep will perservere to the end? What percentage of Christ's sheep will fall from Christ's hand?
Trick question, P-M. Not fair.
John isn't really a gospel. It wasn't written until really late. Maybe those Ephesians he'd been hanging out with converted him to Paulism. It wasn't really John the Apostle who wrote John's gospel. There isn't really any sin anyway, 'cause there was no Eden and no fall and serpents don't talk and legs don't disappear and worlds don't flood and seas don't part and iron doesn't float and donkeys don't talk and people in furnaces burn up and ...and....and...
BTW, you just won that debate.
LOL! :>)
No one can take them out of His hand. No.
But they can freely walk out if they so desire. Unless they’re preprogrammed sheep, I guess. :)
Then what happened in the Garden of Eden? Oh, wait, in the Reformed world, a cruel God who engineers man's Fall and suffering is really a loving Sovereign.
What effort is there for God to persevere? Obviously, it's no effort on our part. God is the one who does everything and we just enjoy the ride! Protestant God works for Christians rather than the other way around. Protestants just sit and get waited on by God! They don't have move a finger. God takes care of everything for them.
Let me get this straight: those who are given to Him (by Him!) are just "darn" lucky. And those who are not are just darn "unlucky." Too bad, so sad. The absurdity and insult leveled at a loving God by such theology is unspeakable.
As many as there are known to God who will leave Him and worship someone else.