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To: wmfights

Yes, and if you ever do read their Church Father’s writings, you will read, though it will be passionately denied, that the “Church” saves, (they themselves save themselves, essentially,) and the only way to Jesus (who apparently didn’t atone completely for sin on the cross and needs their help) is through the Virgin Mary.


7,334 posted on 09/27/2007 10:12:48 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.)
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To: 1000 silverlings
... if you ever do read their Church Father’s writings, you will read, though it will be passionately denied, that the “Church” saves,...

I am planning on getting there. I just started reading Miller's Church History and want to finish that first.

I think reading this and other threads you can get a good feel for where posters are at by their responses to some questions.

Where does Faith come from?

Have you ever just asked Jesus to save you?

What do you think about your church persecuting Christians in the past?

I've noticed that the Reformers are pretty quick with decisive answers and most others are very ambivalent at best.

7,349 posted on 09/27/2007 12:06:55 PM PDT by wmfights (LUKE 9:49-50 , MARK 9:38-41)
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