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To: xzins

Nope; I consider most of the Republican Party far too left wing for my tastes.

But, I’ve voted contrarian before; also, if the Republicans put up somebody worse than what I consider her to be, then she’d get my vote. It comes down to a choice.

A choice. My reading of TULIP precludes any choices at all.

http://www.thecaveonline.com/APEH/calvinTULIP.html says that:

T — total depravity. This doesn’t mean people are as bad as they can be. It means that sin is in every part of one’s being, including the mind and will, so that a man cannot save himself.

U — unconditional election. God chooses to save people unconditionally; that is, they are not chosen on the basis of their own merit.

L — limited atonement. The sacrifice of Christ on the cross was for the purpose of saving the elect.

I — irresistible grace. When God has chosen to save someone, He will.

P — perseverence of the saints. Those people God chooses cannot lose their salvation; they will continue to believe. If they fall away, it will be only for a time.


Choices. Well, let’s see...

T: a man cannot save himself. No choice.

U: they are not chosen on the basis of their own merit. No choice.

L: The sacrifice of Christ on the cross was for the purpose of saving the elect. No choice.

I: When God has chosen to save someone, He will. No choice.

P: Those people God chooses cannot lose their salvation. No choice.


You see why we come up with terms like robot slave? No choice. Preprogrammed units walking through a scripted life. Where is the choice, sir?


6,933 posted on 09/21/2007 10:44:17 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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I never could vote for a pro-abortion candidate, and Hillary is vehemently pro-baby-killing.

I would consider my vote to be a direct violation of: “Thou shalt not murder.”

But...I still have the choice to do so.


6,936 posted on 09/21/2007 10:48:21 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: MarkBsnr; xzins; HarleyD; Forest Keeper
chosen on the basis of their own merit.

That's a works-based salvation which Scripture denies as the basis for our salvation.

"According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love" -- Ephesians 1:4

Chosen not because we are holy and without blame; but chosen in order that we be made holy and without blame by His grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

It's the Biblical distinction upon which the Reformation was waged. God's strength and purpose, not man's; Christ's justification and not our own.

6,943 posted on 09/21/2007 11:24:57 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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