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To: MarkBsnr; Lord_Calvinus; HarleyD; Forest Keeper; wmfights; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; xzins; ...
The Baptists came out of the Anabaptist (Zwingli) movement which generally had a heaping helping of Calvin, and the Presbyterians came out of the Wesleyan movement who was noted for opposing Calvin.

--<<(((GASP!!!)))>>--

There are so many errors in that one sentence I think perhaps you intended to mislead people.

Extraordinary.

It's going to take some time before I'm able to read another post of yours and not see this one.

1) The Swiss Reformer Zwingli believed in infant baptism and was an opponent of the Anabaptists.

2) Presbyterians did not "come out of the Wesleyan movement." Presbyterianism as a denomination was founded in Scotland by John Knox (who studied under Calvin in Geneva) 200 years before John Wesley.

John Wesley may be had his disagreements with reformed theology, but John Calvin is most closely aligned with the Presbyterian Church.

6,827 posted on 09/20/2007 11:20:47 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; MarkBsnr; Lord_Calvinus; HarleyD; Forest Keeper; wmfights; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; ..
the Presbyterians came out of the Wesleyan movement who was noted for opposing Calvin.

The only presbyterian I can think of who came out of John Wesley was George Whitefield -- and he didn't know he was one. )

So we continue to claim him.

And you all pillory him so badly that I've taken him as my Patron Methodist. :>

6,832 posted on 09/21/2007 12:58:22 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Zwingli was the leader of the German speaking Swiss Reformation; the most liberal of all the Reformation leaders. From 1523 to 1525, he gradually converted from being a Catholic priest into a Protestant; in January 1525, his dispute with Grebel and Manz led to a break between Zwingli and the Brethren.

I am in error in citing Wesley and not Knox as the founder of the Presbyterians and offer my apologies. You are of course correct in that matter.


6,844 posted on 09/21/2007 5:35:44 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
LOLOL!
6,865 posted on 09/21/2007 7:32:24 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
There are so many errors in that one sentence I think perhaps you intended to mislead people. Extraordinary. It's going to take some time before I'm able to read another post of yours and not see this one.

Oh, I stopped taking most Catholic-on-Protestant apologetics seriously a long time ago. They're about as well-researched and fact-filled as a David Cloud tract.

6,919 posted on 09/21/2007 10:12:14 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Therefore the prudent keep silent at that time, for it is an evil time." - Amos 5:13)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; MarkBsnr

It’s not that big a deal.

Relax. Have a marshmallow.


6,962 posted on 09/21/2007 4:23:19 PM PDT by monkfan
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