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Ping to the removal of the Lucaris’ vomit mentioned in 6,550.


6,584 posted on 09/18/2007 4:18:40 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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Which part are you objecting to, specifically?


6,586 posted on 09/18/2007 4:26:50 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.)
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Ping to the removal of the Lucaris’ vomit mentioned in 6,550.

So censorship is your answer to Cyril Lucaris?

I guess its better than murder.

But then you can't murder him as he was already murdered.

I thought you were a peacenik?

6,595 posted on 09/18/2007 5:21:32 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg; D-fendr; MarkBsnr; Kolokotronis; HarleyD; wmfights; Alamo-Girl; ...
Ping to the removal of the Lucaris’ vomit mentioned in 6,550.

Thanks for the ping. But aren't you being a little hard on poor Cyril? :) I mean, this was a man of God who had hands laid upon him. He was a direct successor to one of the Apostles, and carried great authority and great power for that reason. He rose to the rank of Patriarch. At the time, were his followers wrong to follow him? What should his followers have tested his teachings against, if anything? The Bible? Cyril would get an "A" there. How about the Eastern Church? Now here he would have failed of course, as proved out later.

I still cannot reconcile how you believe that God would instill all of these supernatural powers and authority to both the faithful and the heretic alike (God knowing all of this beforehand of course). I do not believe that Judas is the scapegoat answer because he was absolutely unique in the most important series of events. If Judas was meant to foreshadow following successors with supernatural powers, then the message is that we can trust no individual clergyman at all, only the collective will of the hierarchy. THAT would mean, especially in Orthodoxy, that the things we could be reasonably sure about would be relatively few. Is that a revealed faith?

6,818 posted on 09/20/2007 8:00:26 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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