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To: Alamo-Girl; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; xzins; P-Marlowe; MarkBsnr; HarleyD; D-fendr; hosepipe
Whatever good (fruit, works) comes from our lives after we have been reborn in Him, is His doing and to His glory, not ours

But the point is: everything we do is not good, even after we are born in the Spirit. You seem to suggest that those who have accepted Christ can do no wrong and, just because they cry out Jesus, Jesus, they will not be judged for their wrongdoings because the blood of Christ washed away their sins. The blood of Christ made it possible for all men to be saved by forgiving us our sins if we sin no more (cf John 8:11). Christians have not been given an open credit account to, as Luther says, "sin boldly" all you want. That is the heart of Protestant heresy based on distorted interpretation of Paul's Epistles, and not on what Christ said.

6,308 posted on 09/15/2007 10:20:42 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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From Kosta,

The blood of Christ made it possible for all men to be saved by forgiving us our sins if we sin no more (cf John 8:11).

1Jn.1:8, If we say that we have no sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

6,315 posted on 09/15/2007 11:10:54 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; xzins; P-Marlowe; MarkBsnr; HarleyD; D-fendr; hosepipe
But the point is: everything we do is not good, even after we are born in the Spirit. You seem to suggest that those who have accepted Christ can do no wrong and, just because they cry out Jesus, Jesus, they will not be judged for their wrongdoings because the blood of Christ washed away their sins. The blood of Christ made it possible for all men to be saved by forgiving us our sins if we sin no more (cf John 8:11). Christians have not been given an open credit account to, as Luther says, "sin boldly" all you want. That is the heart of Protestant heresy based on distorted interpretation of Paul's Epistles, and not on what Christ said.

Oh, kosta, kosta, kosta – stop worrying and start living.

I wonder how much life has been lost to dark imaginings.

Truly, as long as we are anchored to the flesh we will sin. Our challenge after becoming reborn in Him is to follow Him, to stay in His Light. (Romans 8)

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. - I John 1:5-10

Truly, every good thing (fruit, works) that comes from our lives after we have been reborn in Him, is His doing and to His glory, not ours. That is why it will survive the test:

Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. – I Cor 3:13-15

Only God is good. Only Him.

The things we do on our own accord will not survive – even though we will.

All of the above applies to God’s own adopted children, those who have been reborn by the Spirit. The others are destined to the second death (Revelation 20.)

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. – John 1:12-13

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. – John 3:5-6

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. – Romans 8:9

For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. - Col 3:3

BTW, I eschew all of the doctrines and traditions of men – including Luther's. The whole idea of a reborn adopted child of God Almighty sinning ”boldly” is absurd on the face.

Quite to the contrary, we are deeply hurt in the Spirit when we offend our Father's will for us, and quickly repent - often on our bellies, our faces wet with salty tears. But Christ is faithful and just to forgive us and the Spirit guides us to receive His love, look up to Him and follow Him.

We do not live a life apart from the Spirit – we are truly dead and our lives are hid with Christ in God.

Praise God!!!

6,316 posted on 09/15/2007 11:19:17 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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