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To: MarkBsnr
Now, you’re not answering the question.

Actual grace is transient; that is, it is given to us only when we need it, to perform a good act, or to overcome a temptation.

God gives us always sufficient grace to be saved. This is because He will all men to be saved...Sinners need it to rise from sin. The just need it to persevere in good.

Grace does not force us. It leaves us free to choose between good and evil.

The Blessed Virgin received more than other mortals.

All God wants is our love; and this we can give in the most ordinary daily actions. Whether you eat or drink, or whatever else you do, do all to the glory of God


6,176 posted on 09/13/2007 4:58:07 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
Amen. I love that excerpt from the Institutes by Calvin.

"...If it is like turning a stone into flesh when God turns us to the study of rectitude, everything proper to our own will is abolished, and that which succeeds in its place is wholly of God. I say the will is abolished, but not in so far as it is will, for in conversion everything essential to our original nature remains: I also say, that it is created anew, not because the will then begins to exist, but because it is turned from evil to good.

This, I maintains is wholly the work of God, because, as the Apostle testifies, we are not "sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves," (2 Cor. 3: 5.) Accordingly, he elsewhere says, not merely that God assists the weak or corrects the depraved will, but that he worketh in us to will, (Philip. 2: 13.) From this it is easily inferred, as I have said, that everything good in the will is entirely the result of grace. In the same sense, the Apostle elsewhere says, "It is the same God which worketh all in all," (I Cor. 12: 6.) For he is not there treating of universal government, but declaring that all the good qualities which believers possess are due to God. In using the term "all," he certainly makes God the author of spiritual life from its beginning to its end. This he had previously taught in different terms, when he said that there is "one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him," (1 Cor. 8: 6;) thus plainly extolling the new creation, by which everything of our common nature is destroyed. There is here a tacit antithesis between Adam and Christ, which he elsewhere explains more clearly when he says, "We are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them," (Eph. 2: 10.) His meaning is to show in this way that our salvation is gratuitous because the beginning of goodness is from the second creation which is obtained in Christ. If any, even the minutest, ability were in ourselves, there would also be some merit. But to show our utter destitution, he argues that we merit nothing, because we are created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God has prepared; again intimating by these words, that all the fruits of good works are originally and immediately from God. Hence the Psalmist, after saying that the Lord "has made us," to deprive us of all share in the work, immediately adds, "not we ourselves." That he is speaking of regeneration, which is the commencement of the spiritual life, is obvious from the context, in which the next words are, "we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture," (Psalm 100: 3.) Not contented with simply giving God the praise of our salvation, he distinctly excludes us from all share in it, just as if he had said that not one particle remains to man as a ground of boasting. The whole is of God...


6,178 posted on 09/13/2007 5:10:14 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: HarleyD

Harley;

You are wonderful and I would like to hug you and kiss you on both cheeks. You are honest and you are accurate and you are absolutely wonderful. If there is anything that I can reasonably do for you please let me know.

“If that sounds a bit self-serving, please keep in mind that we, the elect, have been invited to share in that glory. God doesn’t want it muddy for us. What a blessed honor that is.”

I have been searching for words, phrases and prose of any kind in order to illustrate the theory that John Calvin’s theology is not Christian. You have provided it for me throughout your entire post, and you have summarized it in such a fashion that we shall never forget.

Thank you ever so much.

Mark


6,179 posted on 09/13/2007 5:16:59 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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