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To: Mad Dawg; MarkBsnr; kosta50; P-Marlowe; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; hosepipe
FK: "THEN, the further interpretation must be made that these powers are transferable from person to person, at the will of the Church."

What do you make of the deal with Matthias? I think, under possible correction, we'd take that as precedent for the whole "passing on" thing.

Matthias was chosen by the casting of lots. I would hope that priests are chosen based on a little more than that. :) However, I did read that the Jews considered casting of lots as an appeal for God's guidance. But still, this does not appear to be a reliable method, especially without the indwelling Holy Spirit. :)

In any event, the replacement of Judas was much more than naming a new member of the clergy. For lack of a better way to say it, for "Jewish" purposes there was a special significance to there being not more and not less than 12 Apostles (see Luke 22:28-30, Rev. 21:10-14). Therefore, I wouldn't be able to make a comparison among choosing THE new Apostle, and Apostolic succession.

6,024 posted on 09/12/2007 12:29:18 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper
Well, I can't say much for the manner of choosing either. But if you look at some of the people who put rev in front of their names, sometimes you gotta think that casting lots couldn't do a whole lot worse ....

But I wasn't talking about the manner so much as the perceived need and authority. The eleven thought they had to and they thought they could.

And I don't think the distinction between apostle and clergy is a great as you seem to think it is. YEAH there's a distinction, but it's not all that great to me.

The NOT Rev. Mad Dawg.

6,045 posted on 09/12/2007 6:04:55 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Forest Keeper

The OT has examples of how the Jews handled some decisions - casting lots was one of them.

Normally our priests attain a minimum of a 4 year college degree followed by 4 years of seminary training. Probably a tad more sophisticated than casting lots. But in light of how some individuals got through, maybe not sophisticated enough. :(


6,058 posted on 09/12/2007 8:24:56 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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