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To: Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; betty boop; MHGinTN; TXnMA; Forest Keeper; Dr. Eckleburg

“Its possible being a “the spirit” don’t even NEED shape to function well.. Maybe shape itself is redundant or limiting, and linear like thinking.. Humans are so addicted to flesh mentally.. it can be an obsession.. Idolatry seems to be primitive spirituality.. needing an “object” to hold or “observe” as a teddy bear.. to a waif..”

The scriptures seem to say there is shape and substance to things above and immortal body must have shape and substance to be recognized and “clothed” not only with righteousness, but with garments.

Exodus 25: 8-19, “And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them. According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.”

Heb. 8:1-5, “Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.”

Heb. 9:11, “But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;”


5,810 posted on 09/10/2007 12:06:12 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan; hosepipe; betty boop; MHGinTN; TXnMA; Forest Keeper; Dr. Eckleburg
Indeed. But here’s the tricky part. What we consider to be substance, i.e. matter, is not yet “proven” in our four dimensional reality much less when considering extra dimensions, whether temporal or spatial.

The critical density of the known universe consists of 5% ordinary matter, 20% dark matter and a whopping 75% dark energy.

Dark matter is high positive gravity areas such as the center of galaxies around which all the solar systems rotate. Positive gravity can be seen as indentations in the space/time continuum.

Dark energy is like negative gravity and occurs in the areas between galaxies. It has the characteristics of a space/time “outdent” accelerating the expansion of the universe.

Ordinary matter – which the Standard Model says should be the Higgs field/boson – has not been made or observed in laboratory conditions at Fermilab or CERN - despite several attempts. CERN is getting better equipment, though, and will try again.

But even if they detect the Higgs, the mysteries would not be solved. Whereas it would mean the Standard Model is consistent, it would also mean the Higgs mass is very large – but the indirect evidence suggests that it is not large. Moreover the Standard Model addresses only ordinary matter, which leaves dark matter and dark energy “out there” to be explained.

The answer may lie in the supersymmetry theory of which the Standard Model would be a part. In this model, each particle has a corresponding superparticle with greater mass – the superparticles remaining after the big bang - forming the remaining critical density.

Then again, the answer might lie in expanded dimensions, particularly time-like dimensions. PS Wesson proposes that all of the matter in this universe could be multiply imaged from as little as a single particle in a fifth, time-like, dimension.

Others propose that the particles we detect are actually massless, their apparent masses corresponding to extra-dimensional momentum components we can’t yet detect.

The point of all of this is simply that we do not know what substance “is” relative to our perceptible four dimensions (three of space, one of time) – so when we project our (possibly false) perception of substance onto the new heaven and new earth, we are piling unknown upon unknown.

As for me, I receive that a thing is true because God says it. He said "let there be light" and it was. He says we will be clothed, we will be. He says the temple will look thus and so, it will. And so on.

For the word of the LORD [is] right; and all his works [are done] in truth. He loveth righteousness and judgment: the earth is full of the goodness of the LORD. By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses. Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him. For he spake, and it was [done]; he commanded, and it stood fast. – Psalms 33:4-9

Praise God!!!

5,812 posted on 09/10/2007 12:35:41 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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