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To: MarkBsnr

***Does that mean that all those who have been chosen for hell have been created to be destroyed?***

Yes. Do you have a problem with God doing with his creation as he wishes?

***Does that mean that all those who have been chosen for heaven have a free choice to reject heaven?***

No, once God has given us the Holy Spirit, it is our desire to please him. Once God has chosen us, given us to Jesus, we are his forever.

***Only children of God have free will?***

Ony chilrdern of God have the capacity to please God. Only a child of God can choose to please God. In that sense, only a child of God has free will.

***The children that are not of God have no free will and are mere refuse to be tortured forever in the everlasting fires of hell?***

You could say it that way.


5,580 posted on 09/06/2007 9:46:25 PM PDT by irishtenor (There is no "I" in team, but there are two in IDIOT.)
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To: irishtenor; MarkBsnr
No, once God has given us the Holy Spirit, it is our desire to please him...Ony chilrdern of God have the capacity to please God. Only a child of God can choose to please God. In that sense, only a child of God has free will

Let me get this straight: God give people the "elect" a desire to please Him. And then the go around saying "I want to please the Lord, I want to please the Lord, I want to please the Lord...," ad infinitum, "choosing" to please Him "freely?"

Houston, we have a problem...bleep.

I don't know what is worse, the assertion that God treats a segment of humans He created as pampered and spoiled kids who can do no wrong, or that He programmed them to please Him.

5,585 posted on 09/06/2007 10:18:26 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: irishtenor
Yep, we didn't make the rules, we just read them and live by them...

"...He that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD." -- Jeremiah 23:28

5,593 posted on 09/06/2007 11:09:42 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: irishtenor

What a nasty theology.

And what a tortuous logic it requires to defend it.

“Ony chilrdern of God have the capacity to please God. Only a child of God can choose to please God. In that sense, only a child of God has free will.”

The robot slave is the only one with free will; all those who exercise free will to not worship God don’t have free will...

I’ve posted before quantities of verses pulled from all over the Bible saying that God wants all people to be with Him. It is the purpose of His creation of man - to have all of them willingly worshiping Him.

I’m afraid that we are rehashing old ground here - I give you the Gospels which give direction to all men and you give me Saint Paul who was admonishing a couple of churches under his bishopric - and then apply them to all men (when they were specific to those churches) over top of and instead of the words of Jesus.


5,640 posted on 09/07/2007 10:16:59 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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