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To: hosepipe

I knew that I shouldn’t have tipped that rock over to see what slithered out.

According to Scripture, if one is in hell, “he shall be tormented with fire and sulfur . . . the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever, and day and night they have no rest” (Rev. 14:11). This is an “everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels” (Matt. 25:41). Jesus tells his listeners of Lazarus and the rich man, where the rich man dies, and is “existing in torment . . . he sees . . . calls out . . . ‘I am in anguish in this blazing fire’” (Luke 16:19-31). As a further illustration, Jesus stated that hell is likened to Gehenna. This “Valley of Hinnom” was located southeast of Jerusalem, and was used as a garbage dump where trash and waste were continuously burned day and night in a large fire. Jesus informs the listeners that hell is like this, “where the maggot does not die, and fire is not put out” (Mark 9:42-48). It is the place where the wicked are sent, and from this “everlasting fire” (Matt. 18:8) will come “weeping and the gnashing of teeth” (Matt. 8:12). Lastly, Revelation 20 calls hell a “pool of fire . . . [where] they will be tormented day and night, forever and ever”—all who are not in the book of life. So, if one’s name is in the book of life, one enters heaven (Rev. 21:27). If it not in the book, then a literal hell awaits.

And the same for heaven.

Although some believe that a foretaste of hell exists on earth. It certainly makes sense in terms of the annoying gnats that sometimes circle humans.


5,574 posted on 09/06/2007 9:13:51 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: MarkBsnr; hosepipe
And the same for heaven.

Hell is permanently cast into the lake of fire. Heaven is temporary and will pass away.

5,577 posted on 09/06/2007 9:34:05 PM PDT by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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To: MarkBsnr
Maybe I missed soemthing from perious replies, but Pope John Paul II echoed the teaching of both particular Churches that hell is a state of separation from God, and not a literal place. These biblical passages you cite are metaphors.
5,587 posted on 09/06/2007 10:29:09 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: MarkBsnr
Well thats a decent answer.. thanks..
I however believe its a metaphor for something else..
I have surely experienced a "lake of fire" at times in my life..
Totally mental and spiritual but as real as "I" can imagine..

I Cor 2;9 indicates "we" may not be able to even concieve of both Hell or Heaven currently..
Could be a dimensional thing..

5,600 posted on 09/06/2007 11:36:01 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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