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To: Dr. Eckleburg; irishtenor; Forest Keeper; blue-duncan; wmfights; HarleyD; Alamo-Girl; Frumanchu
But we have His assurance thatif we have been given Trinitarian faith in His son, Jesus Christ, then we are numbered among His children

The Bible containes no such statement. On the other hand, maybe your Bible does. Why not, it contains all sorts of other additions...of men.

That's what Scripture tells us in black and white

No it doesn't.

that's the understanding the Holy Spirit gives us of those Scriptures

The Holy Spirit gives us the understanding that we can be severed from Christ and fall again; but it also tells us that if we, want to be with Him, and follow Him, if we persevere, He will never leave us.

But we have pretty good indicators in the evidence of men's lives (always mindful that "whatsoever is not of faith is sin" -- Romans 14:23.)

The only problem is what people consider "faith." Judging from the Protestant/Baptist/LDS/others crowd on these forums, anything goes pretty much. As it turns out, even a faith can be a sin.

And this learning comes from the lips of Christ Himself

If had a penny for every one who has a definition of what is good and evil I'd be a multimillionarie. The only problem here is that the verses don't tell us what is good and what is evil, so everyone can make it up. It's a pretty wide brush you are using to narrow down the argument. I think you won't be able to get a clean line in those tight corners.

So again, your argument is with God and Scripture, Kosta, not with those who preach His word

No, I have no argument with Scriptures. They proclaim universal truth, provided one knows what "truth" or in this case "good" is. My argument is with those who read into the Scriptures their own definitions of what is truth or what is good and, worse, who define themselves as possessing the truth and being good.

Is your household clothed in the blood of Christ, Kosta?

My household has been blessed by a priest in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. His Blood was shed for the whole world, inlcuding my household.

Do you have children, Kosta?

I do.

5,456 posted on 09/05/2007 1:27:13 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg; irishtenor; Forest Keeper; wmfights; HarleyD; Alamo-Girl; Frumanchu

“The Holy Spirit gives us the understanding that we can be severed from Christ and fall again; but it also tells us that if we, want to be with Him, and follow Him, if we persevere, He will never leave us.”

Where do you find that the “Holy Spirit” gives you understanding about anything? It can’t be the scriptures since they are filled with all sorts of additions of men. It can’t be tradition since that is the product of men’s interpretation and error through transmission over the centuries. So just how does the “Holy Spirit” give you understanding and how do you differentiate what you think is the “Holy Spirit” from just your wishful thinking or last night’s “bad sausage”?


5,459 posted on 09/05/2007 1:39:35 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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